Curious as what's different in the theatrical cut and workprint of Rob Zombie's Halloween (review #1, #2)? Then you're in luck! Bloody-Disgusting reporter BC was just bored enough to compile an entire list on his blog, Horror Movie A Day, where he reviews a new horror movie every single day. The movies are two completely different entities, so it'll be interesting to see if we'll ever get a different cut of the remake on DVD. Personally I can't wait to see what's different.
Maybe this will keep people from downloading the workprint and taking a chance and out to see the film this weekend. I admit i was tempted at first but way too much is different for me, atleast until I see the final theatrical cut
Well going by what people say on here the movie s**ks so I guess it doesn't matter what version you see. Or? Well I must say that as dissapointed as I may be from reading so much negativity it also makes me wanna see the movie more to form my own opinion. I have a hard time seeing that the movie is THAT bad as some are trying to make out that it is. Some may have gone into it more or less wanting it to be bad and I guess some people just thought it s**ked.
People have different opinions and that's how it is. If some people who can't live with the knowledge that some didn't like the movie the tough luck. Life is gonna be hard for you. I forming my own opinion whenever that now may be...
Scenes In Workprint Not In Theatrical Version:
1. During the breakfast scene, there’s additional dialogue between Judith and Deborah concerning eggs. Judith alludes to Deborah having an abortion.
2. The workprint has an opening credits sequence. It plays over the scene of Michael running from the school, Loomis’ introduction, and the bully walking through the woods. These scenes are all longer as a result, most significantly more dialogue between Loomis and Deborah, presented in voice over as Michael runs.
3. There’s an additional shot when Deborah confronts Michael outside the house after the murders.
4. The montage of Loomis and Michael getting to know each other has more dialogue/scene snippets.
5. In the workprint, there is an additional scene of young Michael with Deborah at the institution, where he expresses his need to “get out of here”. When he learns he cannot leave, he says “Then I have nothing left to say.”
6. When the nurse looks at the photo of Michael and “Boo”, there is an additional line where she alludes to Michael being ugly. This provides more of a motive for her killing than is present in the theatrical version.
7. The “Fifteen Years Later” scene begins with a newscast about Michael’s possible transfer.
8. Following this newscast begins one of the biggest changes: Udo Kier’s character. In the theatrical he is only in ONE scene, but here he has quite a few as the head of Smith’s Grove. He is joined by Clint Howard and Tom Towles as other hospital higherups. They disagree with Loomis’ instructions for Michael’s care. This is followed by the scene where Loomis tells Michael he can no longer be his doctor.
9. The scene of Ishmael Cruz and the new orderly in Michael’s room is a bit longer.
10. An additional shot of Loomis leaving Smith’s Grove, looking back with a look on his face showing that he is clearly conflicted about his decision to quit on Michael.
11. Additional shots of Michael watching Joe Grizzly.
12. The scene where we meet Laurie and the Strodes is lengthened, there is more talk about the “pervert” hardware store owner.
13. After Loomis speaks at the lecture, there is a scene of him walking with a colleague, asking how he thought he did in the speech.
14. When Laurie and Lynda leave the school, Lynda harasses another female student for some reason, pouring a drink on her head (this is one of the few changes that were for the better, as it makes Lynda even more annoying than she already is)
15. Additional sex talk between the three girls as they walk home
16. When they see Michael, there are additional shots of him standing across the street (in the theatrical we only see his blurry shape)
17. A scene of Laurie walking to her house where her mother is putting up decorations outside. Michael is seen following her in the background.
18. A scene showing Michael in the graveyard, finding the tombstone and then removing it.
19. After Laurie leaves to baby-sit, we hear Michael breathing as her parents chat. When the mother goes inside, Michael approaches. The father sees him and assumes he is a trick or treater.
20. A scene showing Laurie watching horror movies with the kids. Laurie tells Lindsay it’s time for her to go.
21. The chase from the Wallace’s to the Doyle’s is a bit longer.
22. The pool scene is a bit longer.
23. A scene of Loomis and Laurie walking to the car. After Laurie gets in, Loomis pauses and you can see he is beginning to blame himself.
Scenes In The Theatrical That Are Not In The Workprint:
1. A scene of Loomis explaining the color spectrum to Michael.
2. The death of Ishmael Cruz.
3. A scene of Brackett pulling up alongside the girls as they walk home. Brackett offers a ride, which only Annie accepts.
4. The graveyard scene with Sid Haig.
5. A scene where Lynda calls Laurie right before Bob’s death.
6. A quick bit where the Strodes express confusion over what Annie means by saying her dad is “same as always”.
7. Loomis buys a gun.
8. A shot of Bob backing his van into the driveway at the Myers house. Also, this scene occurs much earlier in the theatrical version than it does in the workprint.
9. A scene where Brackett explains how he knows who Laurie Strode’s real family is (a much needed addition as it is never explained in the workprint how she came to be with that family or how Loomis would know where to find her).
10. Loomis running up to the house and finding the kids is not in the workprint.
Scenes That Are Entirely Different:
1. Michael listens to Monster Mash in the first scene instead of classic rock (note – a lot of the music is different, more usages of the original music, but that is to be expected from a workprint – this was the only one I will point out)
2. The biggest one that almost everyone knows about, when Michael escapes. In the workprint, an orderly and his friend harass and then rape a female inmate in Michael’s room. Michael ignores them until they begin playing with his masks (this pays off the line about him not liking it when people touch his things). He kills them both, gets their keys, and escapes. In the theatrical, he is being moved for some reason and suddenly kills the four guards, including Tom Towles (who plays a different character in the workprint), as well as Bill Moseley, and Leslie Easterbrook, neither of whom appear in the workprint).
3. The scene where Loomis is told that Michael escapes is entirely different, and features more Udo Kier.
4. The scene where Loomis leaves for Haddonfield after arguing with Udo Kier and Clint Howard is completely different.
5. The scene where Loomis meets Brackett takes place in a different location (a diner in the theatrical, and what appears to be the graveyard in the workprint), and the dialogue is different.
6. Mrs. Strode is brutally killed; in the workprint it is just sort of suggested.
7. Bob’s death is completely different. In the workprint, he is killed in his van when he goes out to get beer. In the theatrical, he is killed in the exact same way he was killed in the 1978 film.
8. Tommy goes with Lindsay and Laurie back to the Wallace house in the theatrical version, in the workprint he stays in his own home.
9. The ending is completely different from the moment Michael pulls Laurie out of the car. In the workprint, Loomis talks to Michael for a while longer than he does in the theatrical version. Then the cops show up, guns drawn. Loomis convinces them all to stand down while he continues to try to calm Michael. He succeeds, and Michael lets Laurie go. As she runs to Loomis, the cops (including Brackett) open fire, shooting him dozens of times. Loomis screams for them to stop but it’s too late. Michael appears dead. The film ends on a very nice shot of Loomis standing over Michael’s body, clearly realizing how he failed his patient, as we hear the audio recording of their very first meeting at Smith’s Grove. In the theatrical, Michael kills Loomis, then spends about 10 minutes smashing his house trying to find Laurie. He finally does, and then rushes her. They go out the window, then Laurie shoots him, screams, and the film ends.
Just saw the movie. I was pleasently surprised. I have every reservation coming into this film, but I have to say Zombie did a decent job. It is better then any sequel. There was some dialogue in the beginning, the sanitarium, and with the girls I didn't like, there were a few rushed scenes without any real character development in the final 3rd of the movie, and some jittery camera work at times, but the film was just plain good. McDowell was very good as Loomis and Sheri Moon did an awesome job as Michael's mom. Good job Rob. Clean up some of that over-the-top crap writing and you will be way on your way!
saw it today, and i can honestly say it was good. i would say it was really good but the last six minutes of the movie kinda bothered me. i was sold on the whole movie up to that point. other than the ending, good job rob.
Holy fuck, I need to see the workprint version! Even though I enjoyed Zombie's film immensely, I did have problems with it...but from the sound of it, these missing scenes could solve at least 90% of those problems. More dialogue and characterization (particularly between young Myers and Loomis) would make a world of difference. Intergrating these scenes into a two-hour director's cut for the DVD could very well re-establish the film...even if it has Tom Towles playing two different characters.
I saw the movie today and I gotta say I am a huge Halloween movie fan and own every version and sequel on dvd and vhs and I am not a fan of House of 1000 corpses or Rob Zombie.
I expected the movie to bomb but I was proven sooooo wrong.
This movie ruled and was way better than any sequel and maybe better than the original.
congrats Rob and please,please,please....make a sequel!!!!
I just watched the movie again in theaters and i've changed my mind about this it wasn't that bad it was better than i expected sure not as good as the original but better than most sequels they made. But there was a few things that were curous for me like why did they have dr. loomis die why did Annie survive and did Michael die or not. but overall i will give it 7 out of 10 skulls and the last 20 minuites were awesome my oppinion decent movie worth a watch.
Btw, i saw loomis with his eyes closed,so he could be knocked out i suppose....they could leave it all alone and it would be great,a sequel could work also,for not having seen any of the originals,Malcom did an awesome job,added a different twist to Loomis....he cant be dead can he?
Btw,Sherry moons voice may be like nails on a chalkboard to me,but she's hot in a thong.....Danielle harris is hot and did a good job,and only a chick like Lynda acted would wanna get drilled in the Myers house,shes hot and funny,but a tad on the twisted side
i enjoyed it. i have alot of both positives and negatives, but as a whole and a supporter from the start, i am satisfied. i want to see the dvd get everything added back in, at least in some way.
This movie sucked so bad... It's nice to have finally paid my 7.50 and be able to say that, too. It was so down-right God-awful, I was embarrassed to be in the theater 10 minutes into the film. To those who actually enjoyed it, I'm glad you feel as though you got your money's worth. Me, my money's worth will be forever trashing how bad this movie was. It was BAD. REAL BAD.
PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! What FUCKING movie were you watching? I have been silent with the cursing out of deference and respect.....but no more. The wrath of Sauron is great and it will flow forth unchecked. 18,000 words will not suffice to cover the shitstorm that is about to emanate from these very walls.....The fucking dialogue was atrocious. I was expecting bad (could you tell) but the result was fucking absolutely absurd. McDowell absolutely butcherred, and I mean butcherred like Rosie O'Donnell trying to suck dick, every one of Pleasence's lines. Guys, every time he tried to embellish a Loomisism, it came out stilted and comical. Loomis with a book called "the devil's eyes." You gotta be fucking kidding me. An impaled coyote leaving McDowell a breadcrumb trail AAAAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! Myers crying like a jilted pussy to a fucking Nazareth song after getting his ass beat WWHHAATT TTHHEE FFFUUUCCCKKK!!!!! They made Myers a wet, pasty, bloody fucking sweaty cunt after 7 rounds with Ron Jeremy. addon and Laser, guys, you can't be fucking serious. This movie was a mess from start to finish. People were walking out of the theater right and left and cursing at the screen. Malcolm McDowell could not have been worse than this. Everyone mugged Kaysar about this but he was right. I love McDowell but he was pitifully bad. His whole lazy-ass, hippie, slacker school psychologist bit was as fucking awful as it gets in cinema. This movie was fucking absolutely pathetic. The only two redeeming factors about this were the one's everyone was worried about. A) Sherri Moon was actually decent as the traumatized mother and B) Tyler Mane carried at least the proper menace over Brad Loree and Chris Durand. Watching Juni, I mean aryl Sbara get his shit wrecked definately was a fucking trip. However, every possible amateur mistake that ROB could have made, he did. Te continuity, editting and ESPECIALLY the dialogue were spot on fucking terrible. The attemps to clone scenes and/or dialogue from the original fell completely, and in some cases comically, flat. People were out and out mocking some of the shit these actors were saying. I can see where some of the lesser experienced staff may not have much input, but McDowell should have ad a self-censorring button that said "hey, some of this tripe is weak as hell." So much anger and so much to talk about, but WOW.....I am more relieved than annoyed because this piece of shit sucked as hard as it could. IT'S THAT BAD FOLKS.....
Wait there's more. Douriff/Brackett babynapping Laurie and then having her get taken in by his friend? Laurie playing Russian Roulette straddling an unconscious Mikey?? Scout fucking attempting to qualify for the freestyle 400 in the backyard pool??? Young Mikey running like an ornery bitch down the allway after getting yelled at by mommy???? (Are you fucking kidding me, people were hollaring at this shot and I really don't think General Cummings meant for it to come off that way). Myers walking miles in the civilized world in his pajama/prison gear????? Walking unseen and unchecked?????? A fucking 7'0 behemouth psychologically inspiring fear in his caretakers thru his excessive crayola making/wearing priviledges???????? There is ssssoooo much wrong with this that I'm going to have to divide it up between movie nonsense and ROB's absolute piss-poor performance on this one. Every rookie mistake and trap that he could have fallen into, he did. The shaky cam was far beyond stupid. Rob.....in case you were wonderring.....you are not Paul Greengass. Obviously I have been prejudiced from the beginning on this one, but the result far exceeded my expectations and folks I AM FUCKING GIDDY right now. I mean really fucking giddy. This shitstorm backalley botched abortion could not have been any worse if Fred Olin Ray swallowed Ed Wood's creative juices and shit out Sandra Bernhard as an end result. I'TS RREEAALLYY THAT FUCKING BAD FOLKS.....
Thank god someone here has brains, sauronthepowerful. I haven't seen the movie cause I will not give any money to such a horrible movie. But from what I heard its pretty horrible. Worse than I expected. Everyone who says it is good just sounds like their lying through their teeth. I knew it was going to be a disaster from day one. Rob Zombie needs to realize he isn't that good of a director and even a worse writer. Its more of a comedy than anything else.
I will not get into MY review of the movie, BUT, I will say this.......I have no idea what "Theater from hell" you viewed this at Sauron, but it had to be at one that contained only people like you that hated this thing before it even started. There is almost nothing I can agree on with your "review". NOTHING. You are blowing it so out of proportion, that I actually have to shake my head at your comments. You're more than entitled to your opinions, but you're way off. I heard nothing but praise from the theater I walked out of tonight. Let's see how long it takes before I'm called a liar.
Well, I just got home from seeing the movie FINALLY!!! I'm going to say that I expected better."Was it better than the original?" HELL NO!! I did like some of the details RZ presented, and it was most certainly better than any sequel. That being said, let's break it down... I thought alot of the character development was left out. I did like the childhood thing, and the night he went off and killed . When it got to the older Micheal at the institution, I thought it was lame and the escape was even lamer. The jittery camera work was bothersome when an attack accured. The look and homes and scenery of Haddonfield I thought was great. Tyler Mane did an excellant job as "The Shape'. His movements and mannerisms were fantastic. The story itself jumped to quickly at times to another scene. I don't share the hatred of the acting. I think all was done well with what they had to work with. My criticism would be that there was not enough development in some of the characters. It jumped to soon to another scene. RZ did an O.K. job, not great. This is a tough film to beat or add to as we all know. The mask was "AWESOME". I liked the idea how he came back home and found it where he hid it,very cool in my opinion. It was great in some parts, but lacking in other area's. I was entertained, but found myself bored at times. The original is STILL kick ass and untouchable people, don't freak out about RZ's movie. Overall, I enjoyed a fresh outlook on the story. Did it work ? Not so much, but a decent effort. Out of 4 stars, I'd give it a 2.5. That would be a "C+". By the way, the theater I was in was packed at a 9:20 pm showing in the Seattle area. Let's see what the reciepts will be on Monday will be a great debate. To you all, SAURON, P.W., DAVEBERG ,PISSING LASERS, HADDONFREAK, WE DID IT!!!!! A year of the bitchin and debates. Oh yeah, KAYSTAR, it's nighty, night time sweetie.
The original will always be my favorite scary movie of all time,hands down but it also needed time to snowball and get into your blood and mind,and 1nce it did,it left scars...it set precedence that just cant be set in the same ways today,and people where expecting it to but wouldve been outraged if a blatant clone was made,a lame ass sequel wouldve been the death knell for EVERYTHING about this we get into,i'll take this remake over that kind of festering,pus filled penis "thorn" sh*t any time.....
Anyone over 25 that sees this film & says it's good is completely lost or not a horror fan in the slightest. I had no high expectations going in & sure enough Rob found ways to aggravate the audience. Lol. Michael Myers as the white trash kid was pathetic & not original on top of a thousand other ridiculous & pointless scenes he put in this...I can't even call it a film. Overacting, & nonstop over the top sillyness throughout THE ENTIRE FILM! Rob did'nt take this seriously & he had to be on Heroin when he wrote & directed it. Having a big cast did'nt even help the movie. LOL. What a joke. LOL @ people actually sayin' it was decent. All this was was a House of 1000 Corpses vs Halloween Starring Sabretooth. LOL.
I have been following this movie since I heard Rob Zombie was remaking it so way back last year. I have been reading these forums for a long time, and while I have not agreed at all with Sauron on this film (pre-release), I have to say that he is 100% dead on.
The only people that could remotely like this film are people under the age of 21, and have little to no experience with good cinema. This movie is Halloween: Resurrection bad. It's laughable when people say it's the best of the sequels. HUH?
Halloween 2 & 4 are miles ahead of this disgrace of a movie. Halloween 5 while a bit uneven with it's script still atleast has the Myer's feel to it, unlike this film, and H20 is was way better and it was barely decent.
Where do I start....
The swearing/white trash nature of the begining of the movie is a complete turn off, and this was the best part of the movie. After I realize that Zombie was going with the unoriginal abusive/white trash background for why Myers became a nutcase I decided to play along and give it a chance. While unoriginal and uninventive it's not to bad because it's something we have never seen in a Halloween film. However just as you start to get into that part of the movie he jumps you to a bunch of killings, and once that part of the movie is over it just goes downhill fast from there.
The biggest problem with the movie is it's not at all scare. I mean not even a little bit. The final 40mins of the film is John Carpenters Halloween put through a blender and then aborted. Some of the kills make no sense at all. The moving has horrible pacing. Dr. Loomis serves zero purpose in the film. The only character that has any development to the point you feel sorry for them is the slut/stripper mom. Lori Strode is not shown as strong/protector like the original film. In this film she is some horny teenager who acts like a bimbo. You can never get behind her.
Michael Myers is a complete pussy in this film. A total disgrace to one of the great horror icons. This movie was the final coffin in the Halloween fanchise. I don't see how anything can be done to make this fanchise scary after the hack job Zombie did.
A couple more things...
Zombie claimed he wanted a more realistic film. He didn't want Myers to drive like in the original film because it was out of place. However how never explains how Michael gets from one far away town to the other. You assume he walked which makes no sense. Also what type of mental lock down was he in that only had 6 employees? I mean come the fuck on. The different mask, and that entire additonal to the movie added NOTHING, especially since Myers didn't make the classic mask. It was his sister's boyfriend's mask that he used, not any of the ones he made *boggle*.
The overall problem with this movie is Rob Zombie's Ego. He was given the freedom to make his own movie and he really should have done that. Instead of let ego take over and tried to "FIX" what he thought was wrong with John Carpenter's Halloween, and as a result, just highlighted all the reasons we love that film 30yrs later, and why he is just another hack director with little to no vision.
There was something about the whole time line that was screwed up, too. If the first half of the movie is circa 1977 based on the music we hear, then the second half is approx. 1992... Which has me wondering, what the hell was Loomis doing with a cell phone that wouldn't have been made until at least 2002? The cell phones they had then would have been the big brick style. And then there's the edit to Danielle Harris character so they could play BOC's Don't Fear the Reaper a second time in the movie. Other than that, it served no purpose... And there were a ton of those type of shots.
its funny............most people bashing the film say they hate Rob Zombie and were against the fil since news broke of it.
these very people went into the movie theater to find problems and pick this apart in some way.
if the film were perfect these people would find problems just to complain.
as I always say"there are some people who are just miserable in life and no matter what you cannot make these people happy"
this movie was not perfect but being a huge Halloween fan and not a Rob Zombie fan,I loved it and cannot wait for the dvd in Blue ray with deleted scenes and all the extras.
I actually had high hopes for this film. I actually LIKED Rob Zombie's previous two films. While I found them extremely campy, they were still very original, so I enjoyed them.
His take on Halloween is garbage. It's not scary, and it's only arguably better then Halloween Resurection. It's definately not even close to the first, second or H20. While the 4th and 5th movies are lacking there are still characters you can get behind and root for, and Myers is still scary. In this film he is fast, big and brutal. The style/darkness that made him scary is replaced by retarded brutality.
Ok...now the underbelly of the net is coming out from the rocks they've been under...only to deny that,and say sh*t like..."I'M ACTUALLY IN THE MOVIE BIZ"-I'm not a RZ fan but i think it was a half assed decent effort for what it was....he coulda written the sh*t a lot better,it was over the top in alot of spaces,Looms got cornball sh*t a few times,i could care less for EVERY member of his last 2 movies(save for Tiny)just HAVING to make "cameos",this Sid Haig guy is some dumb inbred bastard,who even fu**ed up the minor(but important) caretaker gig,but i liked the structure of the thing,it was different,no stuntmen TRYING to act like they MAY have watched the originals,no rap stars,no COMPLETELY gay as* celtic hippy cult,i'm just saying it was decent,consider it coulda been worse....by far.
maybe in the beginning of the sequel they can play LOVE HURTS. wouldn't that be soooooooooo fucking cool!!! god how i loved this movie and i love Rob Zombie!!! LOVE HURTS MOTHERFUCKERS!
Right on rushnmutt,Sauron makes his points and validates them well,I find myself agreeing with lots of what he says and how he says it,but not everything....btw if theres some douche thinking he's wrong or he's done posting how he sees things,better bring a lunch...lmao
Guys, the were FUCKING CHRISTMAS SONGSS IN A FUCKING UNHOLY MICHAEL MYERS MOVIE. CCHHRRIISSTTMMAASS songs AAANNNDDD Snow. You gotta be fucking kidding me. Malcolm McDowell could not have been ANY worse if he was strung out on Malaysian happy dots whilst getting sucked off by half of the Southern Pasadena starlets in training. Seriously, GGUUYYSS, when Sheri Moon was the best part of the movie (and she was by a hundred miles) you know there's problems. How many times did ROB slip in 'on't Fear the Reaper' to try and remind audiences that this was connected to Carpenter's original. A shout out to hardcore fans is one thing but here we got a 'wink-wink-wink, get-it you're supposed to think that it was clever' get it'. UUUGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! I read a review that said ROB directed McDowell into easily his career-worst performance and I challenge ANYONE, I mean anyone, to prove me different. There were 2 or 3 things that I thought had potential (get to that later), but overall, WE MUST REMEMBER, ROB said he was going to correct things that HE saw as wrong with the original. A lot of you guys who are saying that this stood on its own gotta remember that. He called the game.....he laid out the plans.....SO THERE'S NO GOING BACK NOW AND TRYING OF SEPARATE THIS STEAMING, FETID PIECE OF DEFECATION AS ITS OWN STORY. Don't do that. ROB could've done a sequel or a non-Halloween movie if he wanted to go that route. Instead, he pompously chose to "REIMAGINE' the original as his own dumbass childhood put to film and now he has to be compared to it as such. Regardless, THERE WERE FUCKING CHRISTMAS SONGS IN A HALLOWEEN MOVIE..................
What's up Jonny! Hi Sauron. I understand your position perfectly and would never bash you as you know fromthe year long banter between us. I have loads of respect for you. Just saw the movie and agree with lots of what you said, however when you speak of Myers walking around in his pajamas unseen...how about Michael driving in Carpenters version. Point is they are both flawed, but okay in the context of the movie. Carpenter's movie was very flawed and also had very little character development. We must keep in mind that Carpenter did not break the mold, he invented it, therefore the template was his. All those that dare follow will never touch it despite the overlooked flaws. With that, while not better than the original, it was damn sure better than part 2 and the rest of the alledged sequels. I too had a problem with the editting that seemed choppy at times and the over the top cursing in the first 1/3 of the movie, but enjoyed it. I liked the way Michael was putting the classic mask on then Laurie places the items in the mail slot ala the original. It wasn't the scariest movie, but did have many people jump 3 or 4 times in my theater. By the way, most people in the theater clapped when it was over. I found that very strange myself, but it happened. I will never say this is better than the original, but it was pretty cool despite the flaws. Just like the original. One more thing, Malcolm McDowell was not trying to be Donald Pleasance. He in fact was told not to watch the original, therefore was bringing his own take to Loomis. You can't blame him for not being Pleasance's Loomis.
P.W. I agree with you,though the x-mas thing was a bit.....odd Lol to quote Nurse Chambers..."Since when do they let them wander around?" so yeah-the original had its flaws too,its Michael AUDREY Myers for fuc*s sake,should he have been 100% fleshed out?....no-was Malcolm's performance spot-on?-um,no-could this be better then another piece of rotten,putrid,filty "we've got a rap star AND the old fuc* from "Dharma
Well said P.W. I liked it, just not alot. It wa good in places, bad in others. I really expected more and felt a little letdown afterwards. It definatley was better than any of the sequels. Little Mikey's killing spree in the beginning was probably my favorite. I thought the asylum part was lame. The stalking Laurie scenes were decent. There were some cool new moments added that I liked. The ending was not so great.
I am really surprised so many people think it's better then the sequels. This movie is complete garbage. One big white trash fess. It is substandard in every way, and definately doesn't come close to part 2, 4, 5, and H20. You can argue it's better then part 6 & 8 but I would say no. This halloween was just dumb. It made absolutely no sense.
Also people make a big deal about Michael Driving in the first film. Umm Driving is extremely EASY. There have been countless cases of people never having driven a day in their life then getting in a car and taking a driving test or driving someone to the hospital flawlessly. I mean seriously if you can drive a gocart at a amusement park you can pretty much drive a automatic transmission car. I found him driving way more realistic then him walking hundreds of miles in a day to get to his sister.
People twist the original film. You have to remember in the original you don't know why Michael is stalking Laurie. You just assume he randomly picked her because she is the first person to come to his house which is the first place he goes after he breaks free.
Also the car made sense in the first film.It allowed him to move around the town and get from one place to the next. In this film it makes no sense how Michael found Laurie at Tommy's house when they were in a car(implying it was a decent distance travel from where Annie picked up Laurie), and Michael stayed behind to kill her parents. Well how in the hell did he find Laurie half way across town if he killed her parents while she drove off? And then why did he go back to his house...there was lik no reason for it. So killing Paul and Linda was just for more kills the set up made no sense. Also how in the hell did he make it back to Lindsay's house so fast, and how did this 7feet tall monster get inside the house unseen, and was standing behind Lindsay and she didn't know he was there.....
Then the fact they turned him into a complete sap, and changed everything and he didn't want to kill Laurie at all. He wanted to have a big group hug and eat cookies.
This movie is a abortion
PRIMALZ. With all due respect, I just don't like ANY of the HALLOWEEN sequels except maybe #2. They turned Michael into some Freddy, Jason crap that gets shot 500 times and burned, etc. And still walks around and it"s just dumb and unbelievable. Also, let's not forget about the telekinetic niece B.S. and the celtic satanic cult that looks after him. THAT to me is awful. Just my opinion. RZ atleast kept him real. I'm not saying he was successful, but he kept it real, not fantasy.
The movie was good. I'll never know why people want to go and experience something just to hate it, or pretend to be big deal movie critics and go on and on about the subtle nuances of something that exists merely to allow you to unclench your ass muscles for at least an hour or so.
Rob Zombie did a good job, it was a fun movie experience, and people should just relax and enjoy. Get uppity over classic literature, not a slasher movie.
First of all,I have a 15 year old son that I am trying to teach to drive. My son has been to many go-cart races and seen me drive forever. He can not go 100 yards without me pulling the wheel at some point. Keep it real. You are looking for little reasons to hate this movie. I'll give you some examples of how flawed was original was. To say that Michael killed Linda in this movie just to kill her? Was she not killed in the original for no reason. In this version, she screamed nasty things at him him while walking with Laurie and Annie. In this movie we saw, Mikey didn't like to be messed with. By the way wasn't Annie also killed in Carpenter's version for no good reason. I already spoke to the driving. How about going away as a 9 year old and 15 years later not only can you somehow drive, but can also navigate highways and the town of Haddonfield that should not really be remembered all too well. How about Loomis and the Sheriff patrolling the neighbohood all day and night, but never seeing the stolen car a mere few yards away parked with it's wheels curved to the street until it was conveniant to the plot. By the way, didn't Carpenter take the money and run after part one. He wanted nothing to do with part two because, as we have all come to find, he has been a flop of major proportions since then. One decent film after that... "The Thing" (a re-imagining curiously!). Halloween was easy for him because, he was inventing the genre of the slasher film with it. No other slasher film will live up to that standard and Carpenter knew this. I didn't care for Zombie making Michael sympothetic in this movie, but come on. He is after his sister for crying out loud.
Carpenter didn't make Laurie his sister in the sequel, because he too would have had one heck of time trying to explain why Michael was trying to KILL his sister in the first place. I'd say another flaw. Zombie had to work around that flaw and should be commended for having the balls to even try. Can't say the same for Carpenter!
toxicbomb, son you are dillusional. Why would someone go see a movie just to slay it? None of you can come up with any solid reasons as to why you liked it. Your reasons for people bashing this flick holds no weight at all. I would'nt pay money to go a movie I was gonna rip to shreds. Son, make some Sense. Relax & enjoy what...a white trash film, that was a highly overactive, silly waste of a film? Are you not sick of the hundreds of movies in 2000 alone that are made like this & not taken seriously by the writers & directors> No because you are just as caught up as they are. Wake Up kid you sleepin'!
The movie was kick ass! For those who didn't like it try removing your head from your ass before seeing it again.You also have to go into the movie with an open mind. It's not Carpenters movie.It's zombies! Your not going to get the same feel of the original because you've scene it.You already know whats gonna happen and That lori is Michaels sister ect. For everone already knowing what Halloween was about,Rob Zombie sure pulled off a great movie. Far better then any sequal or any other piece of shit movie made after the original Halloween.
Lol...still goin. Our minds are more open that yours ever will be. That's the problem. You are naive to even think this movie held weight. Tell us what what made it great. You nor anyone else said why it was so great & nobody cares if it was zombies, carpenters, or bobcat goldwaith's film. This pic was ridiculous & you either know it & like to B.S., or you're just as blind as everyone else that made the same mindless remarks you did.
HA HA.Why should I or Anyone have to tell you what was good about it? Remove your head and Go see it again.If your minds were more open then mine you wouldn't be having such a hard time seeing what your eyes wouldn't let you the 1st time around.
Movie was amazing end of story, im not even going to bother reading what anyone else put because if your analyzing any movie that much how did you even have time to watch it. We're not doing homework here, we're watching a movie. Hatchet this weekend cant wait
Adrenaline, are you that slow? You're not making any sense. Most people watch a film & analyze as they go such as a suspense thriller. Stay in school son, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
i thought the movie was good, and i have the copy of the directors cut, the ending to the directors cut is not good at all except for that loomis lives and the escape isn't as good as the theatrical one, the only problem with this movie is that after he grows up and you meet laurie and everyone, it seems he rushes everything it goes by toooooo quick and you cant even get a chance to know any of the characters, he could of made the movie longer so he could give the audience a feel for the characters, its like you see them for 10 mins til everyone starts getting killed, you just learn there name and already there dead, the beginning was great, but if he would have made the movie maybe half an hour longer so you can know the characters would have made the movie much more better
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