fucking awesome.. little mike taking a swing at judiths boyfriend steve.. and another head tilt shot.. sweet.

Mustard, cola, and blood. Three great tastes that taste great together. Talk about not seeing the world closing in on you.....

N-ICE!!!!!!!

i cannot wait.

Never have a sandwich in the Myers household. *Noted*

Can't wait till August 30th!!!

i saw 2 tv spots last night on the usa network and they were the best ones i've seen so far except one had a cop say "trick or treat hehe" which was kinda gay "tutti f*ckin fruitiii"

That's Bill Moseley saying that line, and he's a security guard, not a policeman. I do however agree. The line sounds horrible.

Movie will kick ass!!!

the best part is myers ducking to get through the doorway. 7 foot tall MF'er!

Hopefully,poor Steve got laid before he had that sammich.....Bye Steve....

These pictures are probably my favorite so far. Disturbing and menacing. 17 days people.

Yea these pictures look great..... Anyways in that trailer where he says that line "trick or treat" and ya'll don't like it. Well its Rob Zombie so I'd be prepared for more dissappointment when the movie is released.

See....yeah...If you dont like something,thats fine,whatever...try and discuss WHY you dont like it at least. Lots of ppl make valid,interesting points about this, but some just wanna post "It sucks" or "Its gonna suck" then go blog on myspace or some sh*t,not gonna name names(KayStar), just saying express your opinion a little more....

My opinion okay. Everyone who thinks this is going to be some huge box office hit needs a reality check. And all the "evidence" I need is look at rob Zombie and his last two movies(House of 1000 Corpses and Devil Rejects).

Awesome pics!

ok KayStar.. youve gotta give a reason thats actually credible. if your talking movie quality, houseof1000corpses wasnt all that great, but the devils rejects was fucking brilliant. and if your talking boxoffice house of 1000 corpses and the devils rejects all made money to pay back the budget and also give the studious a few million more, i would call them flops completely if they did that. and where the hell did anyone on this page mention boxoffice? why are you trying to start random shit without explaination? must i go through this again? (thanks for sharing my opinion on the unneeded comments pissing_lasers)

Doesn't the adult Michael look like he's exhausted? LMAO! There should be a caption underneath that says "Would you please stop running already! It's not like you're going to live! Make this easy on me for once!" This is probably one of my favorite pics so far!

Well I say that the chances of this movie being a blockbuster are great. You got 2 fan bases that are going to see this movie. Rob Zombie fans and Halloween fans. Even the people who are totally against this are going to see it! Resurrection made what...36 million! It will top that! Even KayStar will go and see it! It's not going to make numbers like The Transformers! LOL! Not many horror movies do but it will be a blockbuster as far as horror movies go.

I am not going to see this movie. In my opinion only Rob Zombie fans are going to see this movie. Halloween fans shouldn't see it cause they will see a movie they once loved completely ruined.

ugh hey KayStar.. im a halloween fan and im going to see it. im watching it right now (the part where laurie is walking with annie and she see's michael standing behind the bush). and yeah basically everyone i know who love halloween like i do are all really excited about this.

KayStar: "Halloween fans shouldn't see it cause they will see a movie they once loved completely ruined." and just for the record the original will always be there.. he isnt ruining anything.. just making the same movie in his own way.

You know what we all (including myself) can't say anything. Just wait until August 31 and ya'll are going to be coming home saying I can't believe I wasted an hour and a half of my life on this.

Hmmm...I think that went better than i expected,I'm sure it'll have its moments to where i'm like "what the fu*k?" but i know i've seen things that have perked my interests.....

Btw...theres that old cliche "It could be worse".....

Well Kaystar.......that was a very unintelligent thing you just said.......on one hand you say we'll all have to wait to see it, but then instantly you say it'll be a piece of crap. Do you actually think before you type? Please. Everyone should get the chance to see this, BEFORE judgement is laid.......you can't see into the future.......hell, if you could, you'd realize how stupid that just sounded BEFORE you typed it.

I don't understand your rational KayStar. I think everyone that makes comments about this movie is a fan of the original. You don't know for sure that he ruined it yet because none of us have seen it to make that assessment. We can guess all we want but judging by everything that I have seen or read it doesn't look like it's going to be bad. I think that every Halloween fan should see this movie btw. Just so that the day after we can say that it was good or bad or that he ruined it.

KAYSTAR. Your the one that thinks Malcolm McDowell ( Yes, the Oscar nominated actor), needs acting lessons. You have a bright future .

i could care less if this movie bombed. it looks awesome and i will be seeing it. money doesn't make a good movie

Hello to all in this Halloween haven. Brainstorming the issue of "ruining the original" again, and I have to remain on the side of "not ruining anything". I have to feel this way because of where I got my first Halloween fix...the TV on Halloween night! I feel that films like Psycho and TCM are going to be(or have been) diminished by a remake simply because of the lack of viewing/pop culture influence/repeat and numerous showings. That simply will NOT happen with Halloween because the film is a cultural norm. Every Halloween (or, more precisely, 3-5 weeks prior to), the movie is going to play on TVs across the nation. And, concerning public channels or basic cable, which version do you think they will be showing YEARS from now. Blood, guts, and millions of -television edits-, or a film that builds atmosphere, suspense, and makes you curl up tight on the couch? Yes, I think you all are picking up what I'm laying down here. THE ORIGINAL WILL BE FINE! And, more importantly, it will continue to build new audiences with each passing Halloween Night. If you think my argument is lacking or missing a point, please fill me in.

Speaking of the original....this is kinda random,did you happen to see the wrench in the hand that smashed the window on the car,(right after Michael hops clibs on top of it) look closely and you'll see it against the flat of his hand...hardly any blood and no special effects people,pure genius....

Who the F*** cares if Malcolm McDowell won an Oscar. This movie will give him a Razzie Award. Look at Halle Berry won an Oscar and a Razzie Award. So yea. Anyways I know what I wrote before didn't make sense but I was just like whatever the movie is going to suck and just leave it like that.

Never noticed the wrench. I may have to go look at that here in aminute. And what's up with this "Escape" remake? I mean, they can remake whatever they want, but did Carpenter go bats&*t with the whole collection?

Yeah Cancer look close,and you'll spot the wrench....About the Carpenter remakes,ppl may not think they wanna see them,but if the man himself is attached to them,an "Escape" remake might be cool though...cant really do another sequel...."Escape from Idaho" just doesnt sound cool....LOL

Jesus on a rubber crutch.....Malcolm McDowell is a fine actor KayStar,there you go being random again,theres not a man alive who dont like Halle Berry.....you think this remake is gonna suck just for whatever reason,and we move on.....

I was a making a point how someone can be a great actress and win an Oscar and even win a Razzie award. Malcolm McDowell I guess has some acting abilites anyways he didn't even win one, he was nominated which I doubt anyways.

I was trying to remain silent, but I gotta put in my two cents. Kaystar expressed her opinion, AND EVERYONE jumped down her throat. But then everyone backs off when the posted opinion is positive. We're (yeah, that includes me) all being a bit hypocritical by saying oh, your opinion doesn't count because you haven't seen it yet. That would also hold true for those who preach reserving judgement. This movie isn't AUTOMATICALLY gonna be good because of who's directing it, so stop mugging everyone who points out that IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BAD! And, to the person who I've cooled tensions with recently, some of us could care less if you get irate or if this bugs you into a "here I go again phase." You wanna get mad, then fine, but don't expect everyone to acquiesce or run in fear because you're angry. 'Haters,' and such are gonna post their opinions just like those hoping to see a good product. Eventually, we're all gonna have to get on the same page about this.....

Sauronthepoerful is completely right. I think we can all honestly learn something from him.

KAYSTAR. All you need to do is "Google" Malcolm McDowell and see his credentials if you think I'm making it up. Halle Berry ? Razzie's? I would shred this, but I have a feeling you might be in High School. First of all, don't be bringing up Halle "CATWOMAN" Berry into the discussion of Malcolm"CLOCKWORK ORANGE" McDowell, PLEASE!!! You are right in that SAURON is an intelligent contributor to these posts. By the way KAYSTAR, he will back me on Malcolm. NO offense to you, but do your homework before you speak.

Okay...I have seen alot of haters twords this movie and alot of people who think it will be good. I obviously haven't seen it yet, but I beleive it will be a good movie. House of 1000 Corpses I didn't care that much for. Devils Rejects I thought built on a story that at first felt to overdone but it was a good movie. The reason I think it will be good is because it is evident from the way Rob talks about this movie that he has worked very hard on this. I mean I love the original Halloween, but my biggest prob with John Carpenter is he is one of those people where he does a GREAT movie puts his heart and soul into it and when he finishes with it he is finished. He puts it away and doesnt really care about it that much anymore. But anyways the way Rob described how the studio pretty much didn't care what he did with the movie was sad, but the fact that Rob didn't change things that he could have to me shows his devotion and love for the Halloween movie...and as for Michael being more human in this. To me the backstory will be great because I look at it like this...We saw a little boy kill his sister in the original and then become a grown man. It was great. But the fact that rob is stating in this one. That Michael is that messed up at age 10 well to me...I just can't imagine how scary he will be at 27...

Sorry, I can't leave this - [QUOTE]I am not going to see this movie. In my opinion only Rob Zombie fans are going to see this movie. Halloween fans shouldn't see it cause they will see a movie they once loved completely ruined.[/QUOTE] KayStar, I'll try to be as non-confrontational as i can about this, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but that comment above is just ridiculous. I know next to nothing about Rob Zombie, but yet am a huge fan of the Halloween franchise, i will definitely be at the local multiplex when this film opens. You talk like Zombie has taken the reel of footage that Carpenter shot, and re-edited it and then released it again [QUOTE]Halloween fans shouldn't see it cause they will see a movie they once loved completely ruined.[/QUOTE] Ummm, i don't think so. This is a completely different approach based on Carpenters original. It is not a frame for frame remake, I'm really not sure how people claim that the original will be ruined because someone else other than Carpenter has decide to pay homage, if you will, to a classic piece of cinematic history (In my eyes) It's almost as if people are intimidated by Zombies new creation, afraid that the original will somehow magically disappear or cease to exist because (God forbid) someone has stepped up to the plate and decided to 'Re-tell' the story in their own vision. Oh I'm sorry, i forgot, we're all supposed to be John Carpenter clones and only enjoy his vision. I know I'm leaning off the fence again here, and sound dangerously like an ass sucking Zombie fan, but i can assure you, that's not the case. There needs to be a separation Between the two movies, an understanding that Zombie is not trying to better the original, just 'Update' it. I think Rob knows that with the venomously strong fan base that Carpenters Halloween has in tow, the remake will never be viewed as real competition, just a (Hopefully) pleasant companion and further (possible) insightful (Hmm) look into some of the events that were only touched upon in our treasured franchise starter. Meh, there ya go, feel free to dissect my mundane fan boy comments while i prop my self upright on the fence once more....Peace all.

Well said Daveberg. I understand what Sauron said about jumping down someone's throat, but I'm sorry, NOONE can say how this movie will be. NOONE. For somebody to leave a comment saying this will suck, plain and simple, and basically telling me how I'll feel about it, annoys the hell out of me. To also make statements like that about Mcdowell is ludicrous! What he's accomplished EASILY compares to Pleasence. My goodness, it doesn't matter which veteran actor would have played Loomis in the original, we would have loved him! We wouldn't have known any different!!!!!!!! I'm waiting to see this movie, only then will I be able to know for sure how I feel about it. I also agree that when someone says "it'll rock", that they are also being premature, but I find those statements amusing, rather than annoying.

It does seem that we did kinda jumped KayStars a** doesnt it? I apologize on my part....dont kill me with a fork...LOL

Whats more, at least its decent disagreement other than name calling sh*t,right?

When you look at it logically, there's no need for all the flaming and name calling that goes on here, it's just a case of people losing control and not having valid arguments that feel the need to expose profanity instead of credible responses. It happens though, that's the way the internet cookie crumbles. And yep, Severed hand, i agree - No one can sit back and force the issue, telling others how this movie 'will' be. We can all make our own assumptions, yes, but popping up here and saying 'This will suck' with no valid information to back it up, is just a waste of everyones time, enthusiasts and haters alike.

ok im back, hello again pissing_lasers, sauron, etc. now onto KayStar.. i believe you said this: "Malcolm McDowell I guess has some acting abilites anyways he didn't even win one, he was nominated which I doubt anyways." Are you talking about Malcom's acting abilities as being bad? dude have you seen "a clockwork orange"? you know, the film he was nominated for an academy award for? dude do your homework on an actor before you go off and say that they are basically hacks. and yes everyone is entitiled to their own opinion, but like sauron, when i feel a a strong opinion is needed, one that may piss some off, i will put mine in.. and excuse me KayStar, but you seem to not know anything.. you've seen the original before, but you dont really seems to know anything about the remake.. come back with some intelligent information as to why this is going to be bad, and how its going to ruin the original, i would really love to see it.

Anybody get the feeling that this movie is gonna be the horror genre's version of Ron Howard's 'reimagining' of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas." The original Dr. Seuss creation was a concise, efficiant tale told with perfect simplicity. Ron Howard came along and totally shat all over the story with a bloated, convoluted backstory, way overblown with unnecessary detail and explanation (sound familiar?), of a basically misunderstood, outcast freak who goes around wreeking havoc. SOUNDS EEARILY SIMILAR TO ANOTHER FRANCHISE DOESN'T IT FOLKS???????

SAURON. You made me laugh. Being able to compare the GRINCH to MICHAEL MYERS is funny. Dr. Seuss and Rob Zombie!!! Hilarious. Anyways, you could be right that this film will be overthought, overblown, too much backstory that does not work. But this could easily go the other direction, giving the story more depth and detail. My guess is regardless how it turns out, the verbage warfare will be off the charts. There will be those who think it was the best thing ever, and the purists, who will absolutely HATE it. No one will win. It will be an opinion war.

Please tell me you're kidding with the Dr. Seuss comparison......please.

You need to be able to LOOK BEYOND the cartoon vs. horror overt stuff and look at the similarities in how both stories were "reimagined." Granted Jim Carrey wasn't taking practice swings off little Suzie's head, but you get the picture.....

i like how the grinch stole christmas.. pretty funny and all my little cousins love that shit.. but i dont think the whole backstory thing is going to be over played.. they said that they werent going to explain why he is the way that he is. theyre going to show his actions and everything leading up to his first murders, the time in the sanitarium where loomis is his doctor, then when he escapes.. then the rest we all know.

The only thing I can say that relates to this topic in any way, is that I would have liked the Grinch motion picture far better if he actually WOULD have used a bat on some of the other characters in it.......thank you for the visual Sauron, I'm feeling better about that movie already.

But did he eat the freakin' sandwich??? HAHAHAHAHA!

Just because Malcolm Mcdowell was good in "A Clockwork Orange" made almost 36 years ago doesn't mean he is going to be good in this. He has only been nominated for 3 awards. That really doesn't show much talent. And I agree with sauronthepowerful, Rob is most likely going to put unnecessary things in the movie and make it completely idiotic.

So an actor actually needs to win an oscar to be considered worthy enough for the role of Loomis? Are you being serious? I'm completely lost in all of this. What standards are you setting here? Just because an actor gets older, or hasn't been in any blockbuster roles, means he'll do a terrible job?

What happened to just being open minded and watching a movie without all these standards? Will Malcolm McDowell be great in this movie? I don't know because I have not seen it yet but who would you rather have play the role? I hear all this Rob this, Rob that talk but not once heard who would of been worthy to do this movie. Rob might surprise us! I liked House of 1000 Corpses because I took it for what it was. A low budget, cheap thrills, horror movie. I wasn't expecting cinematic gold. The Devil's Rejects was a huge step forward in my opinion. It wasn't like a step back to where I can say "He's going to screw this movie up!" LMAO! There are no perfect directors out there. None! Name one. Look at John Carpenters body of work. If he's such a "master" of the craft then why does half of his movie suck? When was his last masterpiece btw?

tymishu: steven spielberg. jaws, et, one flew over the cuckoo's nest (didnt direct), etc.

Don't take this the wrong way. Are you saying Steven is a perfect director? If so the man made Hook! Enough said! Not perfect.

hook didnt appeal to the older generation, with younger kids it was a success.

The Terminal was garbage too and that was for everyone.

"Always" kinda sucked as well, and that's all I have to say about that. You know, we could go back and forth forever about Zombie good/bad/inbetween, but the fact is, the higher ups want to restart this pathetically dwindled franchise. I don't care who happened to be behind the director's chair, the fact is, it would take a miracle for this movie not to be better than the last 4 or 5. A sequel was not an option. Where the hell would one go with it? He'd been burned, shot, stabbed, beat up etc etc. It had become a total joke, and anyone of us can admit that. I believe this franchise can go out on a better note, and starting over was the best way. If we get one or two sequels and end it........great. Like it has been said many many many many times, it will NOT affect the original. Anyone who sees this and HASN'T seen the original, wouldn't have bothered watching/caring about it anyway. Those of us who have, well it will always be there. If some of you don't want the series to continue, and just want it left the way it is, then why even complain? Just forget about it, and move on. It's not going to kill you because a remake was done, that is silly. It's inevitable, and everyone knows it. I still laugh at how Zombie is the criminal in all this, even though he was asked to do it. The "Beloved" Carpenter could care less, as a matter of fact as time goes on and he's asked about the original, he seems less and less enthused, like it's almost beneath him now.....the master......well, 50% of the time at best. If this movie tanks/sucks, I'll be the first to admit it, but I bet if it's actually decent, other's won't have the courage to.

Also on a remake note,"The invasion" is like the 4rth version of "The invasion of the body snatchers" and,no, i'm not trying to see"The invasion"....I do like Daniel Craig as Bond though.....

Hey KayStar, thou does protest too much! Seriously, we get it, you think it will suck and don't want to see it, OK! Many (myself included) do want to see it and will reserve our opinion of the movie until we do.. Why should that fact bother you so much that you post so often about it? Oh, and email me (b54life2k@yahoo.com) if you want to bet on the box office success of this movie, you say it will bomb and I'll bet $$$ it's #1 on it's opening wekend and makes at least 50 Million by 10/31/07 Don't lack the courage of your convictions! -D

Here's a reality check for you... This is a low-budget movie with built-in commercial appeal. The average moviegoer doesn't know or care about the fact that this is "Rob Zombie's" HALLOWEEN. What they'll look at is that it's Michael Myers, and they will go see it. Need proof? Look at the box-office for the universally panned HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION. Look at the number of people worldwide who have the HALLOWEEN theme as a ring tone on their cell. Michael Myers is still a viable commercial entity, and only the die-hards (most of whom will see it anyway, and who will not ultimately be the difference between the film failing or succeeding financially) have an opinion one way or another about the man directing it. How much do you think this movie will need to make domestically to recoup costs and be called a hit? Not all that much, considering its likely budget. And considering the broad appeal of the character and the relatively weak competition it will face in theaters through early September, it figure sto make a tidy profit. So jump to conclusions about what Zombie will do with the material if you'd like, but try to apply some rational common sense when you're discussing the financial prospects of the film. The ads look good, the word of mouth is positive, the character maintains its commercial viability, and the film has relatively low overhead to recoup without any significant competition.

KAYSTAR. Thank you for correcting me that Malcolm McDowell has been nominated for 3 Academy awards. Those acting lessons sure didn't pay off because he didn't win??? This is where Homer Simpson would say "D-Ohh". I don't know really how to respond to your way of thinking. I really want to be nice, but damn, you make it tough.

GoliathSlasher mentioned "Cuckoo's Nest" earlier, and anyone who has seen that film should be anxious to see what Brad Dourif does with the Sheriff Bracket role. Think what you will about the "Splat Pack" Rob brings to his movies, you gotta admit he filled out the list with some very qualified personnel. I hope he gets some good camera time, being the outstanding actor that he is (he's done more than the voice of Chucky, you know!). I absolutely hated TCM: The Beginning, but it's even worse when you get a quality actor like Lee Tergeson and then do s#%t with him. On that note, how do you guys feel about the eclectic mix of genre regulars in RZ's "re-imagining"? Will it serve to help the movie, or will it take away from the focus of the story?

By the way, I know I'm a late arrival to these forums as a whole, so just tell me to shut the f up if these topics have already come and gone. I should've gotten here sooner.

I hear ya Cancer,Douriff is a good actor I've only heard the one line from the TV spot from Leigh Bracket,and thought he sounded kinda redneck-ish....."To dew wut?" God,i hope he's not rocking a hillbilly accent for the sheriff

Also the fact Carpenter could only hire Donald Pleasance for about 5 days,and seeing how he portrayed Loomis in the way he did...he was a old school actor along with,Cushing,(passed on the role) and Christopher Lee(also declined)....I think in these days ,MacDowell is in that sort of class.......

My quotes for the posts: Sorry Goliath, can't agree on your Devil's rejects review. In terms of the actor and how good he or she is, a lot has to do with the writing. Also, just because someone is not so optomistic of this upcoming film does NOT mean he/she is a hater! For the "lovers", you don't know as well as the "haters" if this movie is going to suck or not, so let people write the opposite opinion of yours. Only makes sense to me. I also don't know how low budget this movie is due to the backing it has. Also, you don't have to be an Acadamy Award winner to be a good actor. You just need to be good... Once again a lot has to do with the writing! Also, I said the same thing about Brad Dourif. The dude's an awesome actor. See you all later.

I gotta address the box office questions. FYI: the alltime labor day weekend opening box-office take is $20mil, which is exceedingly low by industry standards. Factors for this include: families looking for a last getaway vacation at the end of summer, generally weaker fare as August goes on (you can easily look at the raw data how each week in August gets exponentially worse in $$$), and generally an apathetic viewing weekend due to summer's ending. Also of note, Balls of Fury AND Death Sentence both open against this movie and both have been fairly well hyped. It's going to be a tough call financially when this particular weekend has historically averaged the same take for the past decade. I think ROB has a DECENT chaqnce to set the record due to the hype and excessive promo done by Dimension (which I have to admit has been an impressive "full-court press"). I have to grudgingly (believe me it pains me to write this) concede that this movie may indeed achieve the financial acumen of success.....Kaystar, I completely support your stance on the state of his mess. However, and don't think I'm backstabbing you with this, you do have to give McDowell his props. I will defend you in that his appearing in THIS movie doesn't automatically preclude this being a success. Let's also remember that he was in 'Working Girl.....'

NO! Halloween the original is no longer a good movie! I'm sure when I come home from the movies on August 31, my copy of the Halloween DVD will sit right where it is and continue to be a good movie, instead of turn to crap as I watch the remake.

Lets also remember he was in a star trek movie,Sauron and i do see where you and KayStar are coming from......he is a great actor,but his involvement in the remake doesnt mean automatic success,just have a good feeling about his take on Loomis,thats all....

He was VERY good in Star Trek: Generations. His performance alone probably added a star to that flick. "Time is the fire in which we burn....." is one of the most chillingly accurate lines ever utterred in a movie.

True....he plays a decent rat bastard,doesnt he?

It is still about the script boys and girls. The script will make or break this character no matter who is playing him. Sauron, my final KISS review is on the other thread.

Right on....Haddonfreak

HALLOWEEN will need to bring in around 18 million in it's opening weekend, AND good word of mouth to hit decent numbers in the end. H20 made 25 million in it's first 5 days, and finished with about 50 million. Of course, H20 was riding the "scream" wave, and it was mid summer. Having said that, it'll be tough for this movie to hit H20 numbers. The marketing is better than I expected, but I'm trying to be realistic. I would however be disapointed if it doesn't beat out Resurrections 32 million.

Wonder if had opened on oct.31st,if that wouldve made a difference,probably not in a good way b/c the studio probably hopes it hits the ass end of "summer movie" thing...but what do i know?

If it would have been the only decent release, it might have done well, but the fact that SAW 25 is opening at that time, this was a wise decision. Why people are enthralled with that franchise.....I have no idea, but that's just me.

I hear ya...plus Labor day and all that,but how cool would have been to see "Halloween" on....halloween?

And on a "Saw" note...I'll admit that they are very clever and shocking horror films,but they dont need to make 10 of em,I think it could stand well enough with just a quadrilogy....

Very true, ideally, I would have liked it to come out the first week of October, and hold steady through November. Here are the accurate box office numbers: HALLOWEEN 47 million H2 25.5 million H3 14.4 million H4 17.7 million H5 11.6 million H6 15.1 million H20 55 million Resurrection 30.3 million *All North American figures, and yes, ticket price adjustment would make a huge difference.

ya know what? i'm gonna see it simply to watch someone get bashed over the head with a baseball bat. that's all. just that one scene. i hope after seeing it that i don't imagine myself batting rom zombie over the head.

SAURON: "Also of note, Balls of Fury AND Death Sentence both open against this movie and both have been fairly well hyped." balls of fury has been well hyped, but they moved it be released the wednsday before halloween, giving it an unfair advantage. and i have not seen one death sentence promotion outside of the internet, and not everyone is as frequent internet users as us so how is death sentence being advertised? in my opinion Halloween wont unfortunately get the #1 spot, just because balls of fury is opening three days before.

I think halloween does have a good chance at being number 1 but that doesn't mean anything. I am really getting tired of people shooting thier mouth off like (Kaystar). Nobody knows what this film will be or won't be until we see it. Kaystar hardly has a say so because she isn't even going to see the movie and she is saying it sucks and it will be a disgrace to the original. As far as test screenings go people either said its alright or good but not topping the original. I for one am looking for a for a improvement from the past sequels. Resurrection sucked I just want another good Halloween film that is all I ask. That would be great if it was better than the original but it doesn't look like that is happening. I don't know what it will be or won't be but I am going to judge for myself.

Hand.....As far as the box office numbers, thank you for putting the annotation that these numbers were NOT adjusted for inflation. H4 and H5 would easily double their domestic take if put into competition against RZHWeen. The other aspect of this is that H4 had a production budget of $5mil, which I'm pretty sure ROB will GREATLY exceed. Cast salaries alone cannot be chump change. The cost of doing business in today's dollars almost makes it cost prohibitive to do truly "low budget" work. In this I can understand why ROB bitches about the process. So, to get a true representation of a movie's financial success you have to measure the PERCENTAGE RATIO of production budget to fixed sales. H4, for example made a 234% profit based on profit vs. budget (which is probably why they rushed a sequel, cheap to make and profitable on a small scale). Where ROB may have problems is that this movie's budget (when accounting for the media saturation) is going to run high, and therefore demand higher expectations. Despite all of this, I still feel that the movie has a beter than decent chance at the #1 slot (though it pains me to write that). As far as H20, you have to remember that tat movie was incredibly hyped by the return of Curtis as the franchise thank you. That movie's press push was almost unheard of for a horror movie (which is probably why it doesn't resemble anything close to a horror movie). Also of note, besides the summer release date and JLC's return, you had the Dawson's Creek and Scream variables, plus te use of Kevin Williamson's (remember him?) name attached to that particular project. ROB is known throughout the horror community (for better or for worse) but Williamson was riding a HUGE wave of mainstream acceptance at that time.....As far as Balls of Fury, look, if we start yelling this is unfair or that is unfair, we're going to look foolish. This is how the industry works, if Akkad was so concerned about this, he would've bumped around the release date. Let me tell you a story of another franchise that got f$#ked due to this lack of forethought. In December 2002 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers was released on Wednesday (I believe the 18th, not positive on the exact date) A certain other sci-fi franchise in its death throes decides to release their make-or-break sequel FIVE DAYS BEFORE what was possibly one of the most anticipated movies in decades. Knowing full well that you are competing for the same demographic in a similar genre against a movie with colossiel budget and hype, why would you not research your product's saleability a little better. Consequently the Star Trek franchise was absolutely and irrevicobly destroyed by Rick Berman's utter laziness and stupidity. I'm not saying that as a comparison to ROB, because as much as I've beat on hime ere, he has definately NOT been lazy about this.....

Sorry for the length of that.....

im not saying that the release date is unfair. im just saying that the studio bumped balls of fury to wednsday release instead of friday specifically because of its weekend competition. i dont recall the website that i read that on. if it was released on the same day as halloween and death sentence, sure it would still pull in big cash, but not as much as it would have if it wasnt released on the same day. im just saying... but does the money a movie makes on a mid-week release carry through and count as the weekend boxoffice?

Here's an example of ticket prices Average U.S. Ticket Prices Year Price 2006 $6.55 2005 6.41 2004 6.21 2003 6.03 2002 5.80 2001 5.65 2000 5.39 1999 5.06 1998 4.69 1997 4.59 1996 4.42 1995 4.35 1994 4.08 1993 4.14 1992 4.15 1991 4.21 1990 4.22 1989* 3.99 1988 4.11 1987 3.91 1986 3.71 1985 3.55 1984 3.36 1983 3.15 1982 2.94 1981 2.78 1980 2.69 1979 2.47 1978 2.34 1977 2.23 1976 2.13 1975 2.03 1974 1.89 1971 1.65 1967 1.22 1963 .86 1958 .68 1954 .49 1948 .36 *1989 and laterfigures based on Ernst & Young survey; previous years based on CPI-W index Source: Motion Picture Association of America

Its been awhile,but is it true that McDowell had not seen any of the originals,and has signed for the sequels? If so,shows how talented(not perfect)an actor he is...if there ARE sequels,lets hope history doesnt repeat itself,and sequels are made that while a couple,(2 & H20) are good,the others just go to s**t....in my opinion,the only good thing about the sequels was Doc Loomis (3 of course not included)

Based on your projected calculations then today's price would be $6.70 compared to $4.70 in 1998 (H20) and $4.11 in 1988 (H4). Based on that you are talking a roughly 44% inflationary index from 9 yrs ago and about 50% from 19 years ago. Still there are variables in region (I know you're formula is an aggregate average). For instance the high populus east and west coasts are going to hit between $8.75 and $10.50 (I just paid $10.25 for Bourne) whereas the midwest will invariably be cheaper....Mid-week box office counts towards total opening groos, but the more discerning websites (boxoffice mojo, for instance, will break it down into ALL of its forms, thereby giving a more fair and accurate assessment.....Haddon. I know you don't want to talk about Kiss anymore but I did pick up the Walmart Kissology v2. I have yet to watch it, but it is almost a complete concert. "King of the Nighttime World," "2000 Man," and "Beth" are all absent. I guess Gene didn't want everyone to be privy to Ace in all of his wasted glory.....

umm...it wouldn't surprise me if balls of fury gets the top spot at the box office simply because it is rated PG-13 and LOADS AND LOADS of teenage (pre-teen) boys and tons of other dipshits will flock to see it. granted, some of the trailer is funny. if you think i am wrong about this, please remember that WILD HOGS grossed more than 100 million dollars. american audiences just want a laugh escape. no matter how damn stupid it is. i know that true horror fans and Ron Zombie fans (is there a difference?) will come out for Halloween, but i am afraid that others might not simply because they probably think the series has been done to death. no pun intended.

Regardless of its gross,I wouldnt see "Wild hogs" if you strung me up by my balls and forced me to watch "Greys anatomy"....and i can speak for plenty of ppl when i say there is a world of difference between some horror fans and RZ fans,trust me he doesnt represent horror...(Back me up fellas) lol

My posting of the figures were to further back up the ticket adjustments. We also have to consider how many more theaters were built etc. Also,for the most part during the Halloween franchise, the average screen showings were around 1700, going as high as 2000 for H20. I always wonder how these movies would fair if they added another 500 to 1000 screens. Either way, all I'm trying to show is what truely is expected here. The original would fall at about what nowadays? $138,000,000? Amazingly strong for the type of movie. It's really hard to judge what is a success here. I suppose like Sauron stated......the end result......how much profit.

Wow....on an unrelated note (or maybe not)...warner bros is going to remake"Enter the dragon"....sometimes words fail me....i'm dissapointed to say the least

Sorry about that unrelated last post...I'm a Bruce Lee fan w/o a doubt,but this is getting sad with remake after remake,and alot are remakes of the wrong movie....its getting to be a touch much...as i said,sorry........

Well lasers, I too am a huge Bruce Lee fan, I even visit his and Brandon's gravesite on a regular basis. Not sounding like a hypocrite, but I have a major problem with this upcoming remake as well. Fine, remake it, whatever, but in this case, the "Lack of Bruce", makes it a complete waste. Take him out of the original, and all you have is an ok movie. He cannot be replaced or even compared in the slightest.

This one is for Sauron (unrelated): You HAVE to see the Crazy Nights gig at the Ritz (I spoke about in the other thread). Anyhow, they had nothing but good tings to say abo