Who the hell is that? Intriguing...

Well there's a timer almost as long as an hour and half, there's a clue. The person in the chair is a female and looking at pics of a girl and guy - the girl might be her? then the line "see what I see'

what i think is that this woman is strapped to the chair and she is gazing at herself in the photos, she might be cheating on her husband, and the chair is almost like an electcal tourtre chair. Looks like the light on the back is like engery light blub. "SEE WHAT I SEE", meaning that she is looking at herself cheating. It might be something else but thats what i see. SAW IV will be a journey. but i still want to know, really what happen to DOCTOR GORDON!

What is that in the top left corner?

Ok I looked at a hi-res pic, thats got to be her (the blonde) and it looks like she's working with inner city kids - makes me think she plays a police officer.

she looks more like a prostitute than a cop to me. look at those friggin' boots, and in the pics she's wearing something comparable to a tube top under that jacket.

the thing i find weird is even after interviewing darren, mr. d keeps posting that plot that darren said wasn't even close to what is happening in the movie, he has said it in all his interviews. so why do you keep posting it brad? maybe darren just trying to throw us off track picture is pretty cool, and visually i like it, too bad it took part 3 ending to make part 2 a better movie when part 3 wasnt all that good of a film to begin with, just a solid ending that made me slightly more happy with what they did with amanda who i cant stand.

It looks like in the top left hand corner is a security camera like someone is watching, and I don't see "see what I see" anywhere in the picture unless you just have to know that's what their getting at.

And in the pictures, it looks like the Brenda woman that B-D said would be playing in it.

why do you think whoever it is, is wearing that pig mask? doesn't jigsaws partner wear that?

the "SEE WHAT I SEE" is to the left of the timer

Amanda usually wears the pig mask, but she's dead.

I still can't see it, my screen makes the picture kinda blurred, and its really dark also in that corner.

now let me just think out loud. i think the person in the chair is obviously being punished and they are strapped down in the chair. they are looking at whatever it is that they did. and if someone doesn't come to rescue them in that amount of time, something bad will happen to them. that chair isn't all fancy for no reason. it's gotta do something. so if they're not rescued in that amount of time, they will get punished. and for the pig mask idk maybe it was just put on them for surprise/shock whenever it's revealed who it is

I wish the picture was brighter so I could see it all.

oh and it looks like the chair can move back and forth a little, its on wheels

The thing on her back looks like the device on the ghostbusters... kinda lmfaooooo...

I'm starting to think Amanda lived.

It is true that we never saw Amanda die... she was just shot

because in this picture, the "person", he or she, probably she, is wearing high heels, amanda wore some in saw 3.

and I may have figured out how Jigsaw will be back in it "physically".

And how's that?

Oh and Jasonlives1986.... Bousman's been f-cking with me non-stop. I'm CLUELESS and it's driving me crazy lol

the beginning scene, them doing an autopsy on his dead body, they never said he was alive and physically in it, they just said physically in it. His body being physically there.

i just hope this ending there talking about isn't tainted by the fact that we all now know that there is some suppose awesome ending, prolly another revelation we don't yet know or cant even possibly predict. never thought i'd see a modern friday the 13th franchise were we got a new film each year.

and hmm, maybe another apprentice? why were there two pig masks in saw 3? one for Amanda? the other for who? and one has long hair that Amanda probably used, the other has a guys haircut?

The pictures on the wall look like they were taken from a distance, like someone was stalking her. It sort of looks like that when the timer goes out, the gears are going to pull some part of her body and keep twisting it. Also, the pig mask could be a reference to her being a pig, as in cheating on somebody, the same for the boots.

Nate is on to something... another apprentice?

theres someone holding a gun in the top left .....

the other pig mas was jigsaws before her..erm..retired for a better word LOL!...the woman in the pics of the all kinfa looks liek Dr G's wife, but i doubt its her in the pig mask....man this is so confusing damn darren!

Hey, could be a crossdresser in that chair too ya know. :)

I can hardly wait for Saw 1V to come out. The sequels have been exciting and not boring.

Im guessing that this scene is either a flashback like scene where its portrayed really fast after the body is found. Possibly at the beginning of the film...or...this test lasts the whole film and the counter on it is like the time left in the film leading to the end where she will either be rescued or brutally killed.

It is obviously a villain not a victim I think if they are wearing the mask and the cloak and the chair could be something keeping this person alive. I think the pictures are of the victims however because Darren did say that this one would 'up the estrogen' with female leads

i am sooo excited! i want to know everything! www.fotolog.com/make_ur_choice its my flog from saw!

Ok, let's start with what we know! Darren has said that there are four seperate stories going on at once...not all about torture! Tobin said we'd find out in the first 20 mins out he's involved. Could be an autopsy, but I and others might be a little let down. However, maybe that's where Jeff finds the new tape, sewed into his side or something! Amanda(YES she is dead, probably before she hit the ground, unless Jeff's gun was trick ammo like in movies!) could have done that in 3. Now here's what I think of the pic and all you can dissect it as you wish! This vic could be this Brenda or it could be Jigsaw's dead body, which explains the mask. The chair is probably electrical as already mentioned. But all in all this scene will be throughout the whole film, explaining the 89 min timer! Then she escapes or must be rescued!

Think Jigsaw is being kept alive by that chair?

The girl in the photos is actress Sarain Boylan who is playing Brenda in the film.

No one has mentioned the mess of the place, the flipped over cover on the left for instance. Relevance?

I've isolated the 4 stories...1. The killer Parez or Strom as mentioned by Darren(played by Scott Patterson-assumption-but he said the guy gave golden improv!) 2. This Brenda girl in this pic-that's what I'm really thinking! She'll need to be saved by a cop...maybe Rigg or Hoffman! 3. Jigsaw's autopsy as prev mentioned by Nate with my added note with a hidden tape in his side found by Jeff! 4. And Jeff's journey for his daughter! An xtra note, I think Hoffman is the opener. He's the smartass cop in 3 to Carrie at Troy's crime scene

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I love the pig mask.

Great dude, the majority of the films(all of them I think) take place in a slaughterhouse! Thus the Saw 3 Judge scene!

Anyone think that the object on the top left side of the picture looks like a possible hand? Holding possibly a gun?

No, I think its part of the couch on its side

maybe its a undercover cop i think the copper from number 2 oing 2 turn up hes the killer now maybe

it is someone holding a gun as I said earlier - look, someone behind the couch, pointing it at the chair sitter

Ok.. look at it in High rez... in the top left, those are definatley Black Hands.. aka RIGGS... the gun in hand? it makes complete sense. This is Riggs finding this person in this trap.

Maybe if I saw it in high res(how do I do that?) then I could have a better opinion! In the top left though. all I see is a friggin couch! I also noticed that the bright light is not part of the contraption...it's a seperate light stand!

it could be amanda just like we thought dec matt was dead. but thats just me

Those might be women's boots but they are an awful huge size.

I think throughout the movie the cops are left clues to fellow undercover officer Brenda(probably to bust for illegal prostitution from the way she's dressed) whose trapped in this device, which to me doesn't look like it does much! They must find her before the timer runs out! Except when Rigg or whoever finally finds her they take off the pig mask to reveal a DEAD AMANDA...then BOOM! They all die...the new killer gets away for part 5! Hahaha...I think I got it!

My story seems to cover alot of your guys' stories! About Brenda being a cop! She(DEAD AMANDA) is bait to lure in Rigg! Jigsa whas outsmarted them once again!

yeah, can someone tell me how to view a picture in high-res??

I figured a way to see it better on my screen, I turned the brightness level all the way up lol

and one more thing, possibly Brenda cheating on someone in this one?

zoomed in, the person in the chair is not there of their own free will...theres chains on the ankles...y would a pigmask be on a victim? WB

Ok people i took this image and put it in microsoft paint and inverted the colors. It tells you alot. First off, no thats not a man holding a gun. there is no gun and no man in this picture. Secondly note the fact there is a candle under the timer. Maybe its not a candle but its a white cylinder object. Note that if you invert the colors you can clearly see what seems to be dynamite on the chair. Some type of pipe bomb. Note how the pig is wearing high heels. Amanda wore high heels. Hmm? But amanda isnt being cast in this movie. Makes a person wonder... My final note is on the device she is on. Note these things. It has a bomb on it. the strange glowing object seems just to be the light source for the room. In lots of saws they do this. It may not be an electrical thing. Also...note the polka dot pillows and the stuffed animals on the wall. Is this a childs room?

imdb has amanda in the film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0890870/) unless things have changed since may 19th WB

no, you're wrong,it's a gun. I think the word " crazily obsessive" springs to mind with you..............

have yall ever thought that maybe the girl in the chair could possibly be Jigsaw's lover in the flashback in Saw3?

I think its either Brenda, an undercover cop for illegal solicitation(I can tell because of the blonde hair coming out the back of the pig mask) or its hidden identity issue for the cops! They think its their fellow officer, but they take off the pig head to reveal Amanda's dead body-that's how Shawnee's still in it...not much, but she's STILL in it!!!

Maybe it's Jigsaw's girlfriend?

OK see on the left upper corner if you look closely you really see a hand holding a gun and pointing at the gill you cant see the hold hand but look very closely and you the knuckes and its a guy holding a gun and u can tell its a guys hand wow i was shocked when i saw that cant wait to see saw 4

OK see on the left upper corner if you look closely you really see a hand holding a gun and pointing at the girl you cant see the hole hand but look very closely and you see the knuckes and its a guy holding a gun and u can tell its a guys hand wow i was shocked when i saw that cant wait to see saw 4

yea and its a hand but whos hand could it possibly be thats what im thinking cuz im possitve its a hand with a gun pointing at the girl

if you look at the chair you can see chains on the right leg passing thru what seems to be an eyehook on the floor, not sure on that though. Also there's a projector sitting next to the chair on a tripod, notice the slides. Also if you look at the back of the mask/top of the chair there is a small amount of blonde hair showing. So it's (in my eyes) 100% the girl in the picture.

for anyone who says thats not a hand, yes it is, its a black hand which is probably Riggs hand. If you can't see it, try looking at a hi-res picture or making your screen brighter, it worked for me and I can see it all now.

yes the girl in the chail is the girl in the picture and that is a torture chair becuz i think thats jigsaws wife and he found her cheating wiht that dude in the pix with her so hes making her pay back for waht she did

i have no clue what is going on here. i agree with mostly everybody this girl is probably cheating on her husband. i also agree that this could in fact be jigsaws wife and he could be teaching her to appreciate life, like he teaches everyone else. i can't wait for the forth movie to come out. me and my friend are obsessed with saw and love all the movies.

could amanda have lived? in the third movie she liked to wear high heels. jigsaw could be teaching her how much he hates murders. Remember how amanda killed the cop? when jigsaw found out that she had killed the cop dude he was furious

Just to clear some facts up.... Its been comfirmed by the director and producers that Amanda and Jigsaw are both dead, with no secret devices or "Bobby Ewing" methods of bringing them back. They know the Saw fans are too smart for that. Now the picture, seems to be a torture device involvinig ripping the victims hair out of their scalp. As the bottom cog (or horizontal cog) rotates clockwise, it in turn causes the top cog (or big vertical cog) to rotate away from the victims head. If you look closely there is a metal pole extending from the big cog, and if you look closer you can see the victims blond hair is threaded through a small black hoop behind her head and onto this metal pole. As the pole rotates, the hair gets pulled away from the victim and with the the victim chained in place, eventually the hair will be pulled from her head. Pretty tortourous when you think about it.

I dont know...a hair pulling trap? Sure it might hurt but its no Stepping on glass naked coved in flamible liquid while tring to find the combo to the safe.

Okay, those are definately shackles and all, it is hard for me to actually tell what is on the tripod though. It is def. the girl in the photo- but I since her posture is straight up- maybe it will crack open her back. I think the bomb idea is cool though. This could be his wife/girlfriend... this would make sense. Something I thought of is if Amanda is semi-dead on the floor that Jeff would have to open her up to get the next clue like she had to do to someone else in the first film! That would be cool, payback!!! Andd... I know she has a key around her neck for something- so she prob won't be torn open, darn. What if that was a rubber bullet? I know there was blood, but maybe she faked it and had a blood packet. Like she staged it and let Jigsaw die. Hmmm

ok for those of you saying there's a hand have you guys looked at it in better definition. i'd give it a 10% chance it's a hand but i highly doubt it. but yeah it's definitely the girl in the pics. and i feel sorry for the person if they don't escape. it's gonna be painful. now we don't know if her hands are chained also or if someone has to save her. and for those who haven't seen a better picture go to the official SAW fan club officialsaw.com and click on SAW 4. it's the first thing there and you can clearly see it.

that chick which is clearly the girl in the pics on the wall is a prostitute and it looks like shes wearing that pig mask thing that amanda wore which makes you wonder who set up this trap

there is a hand with a gun so someone is trying to kill that person.

it seems that it is brenda(the woman reveled to be a new charector in the movie) Judging by both the pictures here and in her other picture she is some kind of a whore. witch could exsplain the high heels and leather clothing. There is a man in some of the pictures....maybe a boyfriend or a client? Also the pictures were taken by a poor photographer as you can see by the finger shots in most pics. as for the pig mask...it must have some deeper meaning maybe to look through his eyes?

ok i see something i just jumping thru this is my first time on this site but why does the blue light appear in front of or in the body? this light is in back of the person cause the shadow is casted darker in the front and appearently since this movie is a continuation and not a prequel it had to already be set up cause jigsaw was smart enough to prepare for the end of 3. also this was hist most elaborate scheme so reguardless of what u think it can always be something else every since the first saw came out I have watch every one days on end when they came out on dvd and now that I know about this give me sometime to go through all the dvd to piece anything that definitly identifies and not compares to this pic, every saw movie to come out to date always had something from previous one in it. right now i can also tell u that the father from the end of 3 looks like he appears in a couple of pics on the wall, in the left bottom it looks like seat or couch cushions,

So on officialsaw.com, they have confirmed that we will find out what Amanda read in the envelope in Saw 3.

I think this is brenda who is in a trap. Those are picture of her cheating on her husband, and the husband has to come and save her even though hes seeing her cheat on him. He has to save her from her trap, which will rip her hair out and kill her from SLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW blood loss.

The good thing about Saw 4 know body knows much of anything about it. I think its better that way cause its more of a suprise.

a suprise?

is obvious know one has any real clue all we know for sure is that jigsaw and amanda are dead especially amanda once u bleed from the mouth u really cant be saved its enternal bleeding plus it would be pathetic to make it otu to be a blood package or anything

anyone still there?

Hi

woot another SAW movie im pumped! kind of hoping that they fully show the story of doc. gordon cause they never did show him die or where he went and from the whole part 1 and all the evidence of Medical Equipment around jigsaw, i actually think he has a big part in the rest of the movies =o

does anyone else believe that could be a head in the top left corner? what are your thoughts?

is it me or is everyone else here just dumb and not seeing the real picture? god think about it. obviously when u look up close it is trap with the contraption and why is she wearing the pig mask well obviously because like bousman said theres more then 1 story going at on once. so clearly we end up of who put her in the chair thats what you should be concentrating on and for a gun in the corner well i dotn think so just a messed op couch.

so if u think about it, amanda and john are both dead so start thinking of how and who put her there!

and my biggest idea yet is probly somthing to do with riggs or gill (jigsaws uncommited love)

What if that is Jigsaws girlfriend/fiance? Perhaps she heard of jigsaw's death and was outraged like I was. The pictures she is looking at could be of her and jigsaw by Adam? he was a peeper. Could the chair not be a trap? Perhaps some form of lifesupport? However the "headrest" of the chair looks like it has gears on it. . . .

On further inspection, it looks as though the girl is turning her head to look behind her . . just slightly though? This supports the idea of Riggs being behind her with a gun.

Ok , so "see what I see" could imply through jigsaws eyes (the pigmask) as in see how these people take their lives for granted? the pigmask could just be for effect, but the chair . . . frontal lobe tumor inflictor? near death experience chair (jigsaws car crash)? Virtual Reality via the pigmask? HOT DAMN I'M STOKED!

well hmm if you've watched three u see that Amanda doesn't behave the way he wanted and if u look she has the pig face mask on so im sure its Amanda and jigsaw is just trying to get her to act the way he wants to carry on his work

or its a prostitute that could be cheating or just selling her body and he's going to show her thats not the way to go

ur still forgetting one major picture!!!! if its a trap who put her there?????? obviously somone were not thinking of, all i can think of is gill. because they started it like him and her both met each other in art school were she could of helped him with billy and stuff, maybe she was insane. and now wants in or maybe she was apart of the picture from the begining.

clearly if u ask me number 3 was the biggest mistake they ever did, ill admit it was a good movie but yeh. they should of had somthing like instead of killing amanda jeff and his wife lynn escaped but before they did after he cut johns throat he put the contraption (reverse beartrap) on her head again from number 1 the very first one she was tested with and then she had to cut john open to get the key. which would probly end up killing her anyways becase she wouldnt be able to cut him open because the way she feels abotu him.

and then they could of had jeffs voice somthing liek jigsaws saying the key to ur life is within ur dead sell mates body. that would be cool then she could escape from that.

and then a few years after play a final game. where all these ppl wake up in different parts of a house all with numbers in the back of their head and jigsaw pieaces kinda cut out. and then aroudn them theres a gallery of all the ppl who have been tested and failed. and a shrien for jigsaw. but in the middle of the room theres a chick hanging kinda thing being held up by chains from her arms and legs and yeh on a platform.

and at the end she just takes her arms out and stuff and then walks off and it being amanda. and everyone who woek up there was actually doing the same test as jigsaw tested them kinda thing.

but only one of them kinda ends up passing and yeh amanda finishes them kinda thing because shes still a killer but now knows that the games are played for a reason since jigsaw tested her for killing the innocent.

Now, upon the news of Detective Kerry's murder, two seasoned FBI profilers, Agent Strahm and Agent Perez, arrive in the terrified community to assist the veteran Detective Hoffman in sifting through Jigsaw's latest grizzly remains and piecing together the puzzle. However, when SWAT Commander Rigg is abducted and thrust into a game, the last officer untouched by Jigsaw has but ninety minutes to overcome a series of demented traps and save an old friend or face the deadly consequences. from reading this and looking at the picture. im guessing that thats Rigg in the chair, and thats the timer that started and 90:00 and if the other swat officer doesnt complete the tasks in time that chair is gonna somehow kill them. i dont know wat the "see wat i see" means but maybe that jigsaw saw that she was hiding something from everyone? and that may be wat the pictures she's lookin at are of

maybe the pics are old, could be pics of jigsaw and jill ... or jill and some other guy with jigsaw's kids ... she did leave him for his own fears of commitment.. maybe he had good reasons for not trusting her.. and wants her to see what he saw

So ... are they about to pull a Darth Vader with the Amanda character or something ? ... :/

ok first thing i saw in this was see what i see so as we all did u look in the pics on the wall well there u will see Jeff and his daughter with this lady thats not jeffs wife so we think thats who is in the chair but the weird thing is the lady in the pics looks like jiggsaws wife so was jeff cheatting on his wife when she was cheatting on him and if so was it with jiggsaws wife thats y he was chosen to play the game just a thought just a thought but as we u will see one of the last images flashed on the screen at the end of saw 3 is this blond headed girl the same one thats in these pics and looks like the same girl that oby wlks by in the park when jiggsaws remanessing...ok enough for now will post more when i find more .....still trying to find out were the key to this trap is at?????

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I have few theories and people don';t get mad at me cause I heard some dumb things on here, so if you think mine is dumb..its all in fun.ok. Now, 1. It is a contraption and I think the someone is supposed to save her preferably Rigg because in numerious interviews and reports they said he is thrust into the game and only has 89 minutes and the clock is simply for him to keep track of time (becuase whomever that is can't see the time). Next, the mask is only on for intensive purposes whereas so she doesnt see who it is that done this to her, or the obvious she is a twisty character that means something. Next, I also think she may have something to do with this because notice how her feet are positioned they are in the upright position which means that she knows what she has to do regardless of the ropes and chains because if she were drugged or captured she would be unc onscious therefore her feet would be dragging alongside the floor. Last but not least and the worse theory of all (but it just might work). What if Darren and his fellow producers made this photo as a sort of way to start buzz? What if this photo is a set piece they created just for us notice how it does say photo taken by Steve Wilkie and also Darren does stuff like that. Also, Jigsaw wouldnt have wrote that because the unconscious hoe can't see and Rigg wouldnt need info like that hence there is only a candle so he wouldnt be lookin up there. But those are my assumptions. Tell me what you think.

Well we know that the person in the chair is a girl. And the ime is almost to an hour in a half. And the chair has a light with a gear near it. And i dont know who is in the pictures. Then we got "SEE WHAT I SEE" on the wall but if you look realy closly there is an object beside the word SEE and to tell you the truth. It lookes like a hand holding a gun. All i know is these saw movies are alsome and this one is going to be realy cool.

A lighter and easier to see pic has been posted here: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6122/saw4clip061907ai3.j pg It is obviously hand with gun on the left....this is going to be interesting.

Hello, i personnaly help as a donut boy in the saw 4set, and know the traps this one happes to (do not read on if your sqeamish[lol] or dont wan this to be a spioler) but see the 2 rings attached to her hair? (its a she) they pull her scalp off, and yes, shes heating on her husband, (in a way), WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING: MAJOR SPOILER MAJOR SPIOLER MAJOR SPOILER This is jigsaws WIFE. hope this helps for those of you who cant wait for the relese. ps, you can see me in the special features of the movie, im in the trap designs, handing a guy in the ackground a pepsi. cya