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13 Days of F13: Day Twelve - Freddy Vs Jason
Thursday, February 12, 2009


By: BC
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Many thought it would never happen, that it would forever remain a hypothetical scenario, never going further than fan discussion on messageboards and schoolyards. But in 2003, New Line released Freddy Vs Jason, which would defy all of the odds and not only become a late summer smash, but ultimately the highest grossing film of EITHER franchise. Was it worth the wait? Keep reading to see what BC thinks as we reach the penultimate chapter of our 13 Days Of Jason retrospective series.

13 Days of Friday the 13th

For a horror fan, there is no escaping Jason Voorhees or Friday the 13th. Even if you have never seen a single movie (for shame!), you know who he is, what he does, and what he looks like. But that's from my perspective. I grew up in the 80s, played the video game on a system known simply as Nintendo (now referred to as "The 8 Bit"), and suffered the indignity of that comic where he fought a talking Leatherface.

But what about those who grew up in the Jason-starved 90s? The only Jason films they might remember in theaters are the ones where he fights Freddy or goes off into space. The remake may be their first real introduction to the hockey masked behemoth that stalks teenagers at a place known as Crystal Lake. So for them, Bloody Disgusting and Horror Movie A Day would like to present this retrospective series: 13 Days Of Jason. Each day leading up to the remake's theatrical release, BC will be showcasing one of the original films, with trivia, factoids, thoughts, and his own full blown review.

Bloody will also be presenting a few other articles that highlight some of the series' traditions, such as the lovesick nerd character and Jason's habit of using unique weapons. Because even if you don't agree with BC's assessment of each film, there's one thing we can all agree on: Jason fucking rules.

FREDDY VS. JASON write your own review

AKA: "Jason Vs Freddy"?
RELEASE: August 15, 2003 (3,014 (!!) theaters)
GROSS: $82,163,317

PLOT: Freddy is somehow strong enough to resurrect Jason from Hell, just not himself. So he has Jason kill people in Springwood, OH (he walks there from Crystal Lake, CT (or NJ) - no one bothers him along the way I guess), which would dig up memories of Freddy and thus allow him to be reborn. Freddy then gets mad that Jason is killing everyone, so they fight. Amazingly, it’s even stupider than it sounds.



THOUGHTS: The fight’s awesome. No one’s going to argue that (well, maybe Kane Hodder). Unfortunately, there’s about 80 minutes before it that don’t really feel like a Friday movie at all, but rather a Freddy movie with Jason doing most of the killing as a consolation prize. Plus, a “sympathetic” Jason is ridiculous, and since Kane was the one to keep hope of the film alive for a decade thanks to his tireless promotion at horror cons and such, replacing him is pretty much the dickiest move in the history of dick moves. Ronny Yu is one of the more stylish directors in the series, but it wasn’t enough to overcome the terrible dialogue and acting. You would think that after 10 years, they would come up with something better than “Freddy died by fire, Jason by water: how can we use that?”

(Read BC's full review at Horror Movie A Day)

BEST KILL: Some R&B star begins to “sass” Freddy, who just sort of listens before pointing to Jason, who is standing behind her. Jason then machetes her and then introduces her to Mr. Tree. I actually wish they sort of “teamed up” like this through more of the film.



MOST "HUH?" MOMENT: Since when the fuck is Jason afraid of water? Dude goddamn SWAM to Manhattan! Not to mention all the times he got someone from the water, like Samantha in Final Chapter. Fuck you, movie.



FUTURE STARS: If you look carefully, you will spot Evangeline Lilly as one of the anonymous students. One year later, she would go from anonymous extra in a junky horror movie to a starring role on one of the most acclaimed shows of all time: Lost.



TRIVIA: The drug that the kids are all doped up on (Hypnocil) is actually the same drug that Nancy wanted prescribed in Nightmare on Elm St 3, a nice shoutout for fans of that series. Various unused scripts had returning characters (Alice from Nightmares 4 and 5, Steven and Jessica from JGTH, and Tommy Jarvis all made appearances during development), but Hypnocil would pretty much be the alpha and omega of “fan shoutouts” (unless you count Mrs. Voorhees) in the entire film.



Check back tomorrow for Friday The 13th (2009)!

Click here to keep up with all of our 13 Days of Friday the 13th coverage!




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jasonlives1986
3:21am, February 12, 2009

the movie was fucking great when it came out, saw it twice that day. but it has its issues as a movie, the Freddy and Jason parts are great but it disapoints on some levels, but overall, it could of been MUCH worse.


Horror Writer
3:24am, February 12, 2009

I HATE this movie so much! Countless scripts to choose from and they went with this shite! By far the worse Jason movie... camp, unthreatening, irritating and pointless. Let's hope the writers redeem themselves with the new movie!


Static
3:27am, February 12, 2009

No, it sucked. The reviewer is right. Scared of fucking water! GODDAMN! The douche metal played throughout the film also sucked.


jasonlives1986
3:28am, February 12, 2009

by the way, Im actually sick of this whole Jason is afraid of water shit, It HAS to be the biggest misconception about the movie, Jason ISNT afraid of water, as proven by the end of the movie with him spending about an entire night at the bottom of the lake. That part where he is "afraid" of the water happens in Jasons dream world, where he feels vulnerable, Jason is in a dream, and god knows he doesn’t do enough of that, so to him, the whole water dream scenario feels dangerous, I think they were trying to get his inner child with that scene, and its ok because its not "real" Jason isn't afraid of the water, but Jason in his first dream of his life might be a little skeptical of the very thing that killed him in the first place.


Joe Horror
3:32am, February 12, 2009

Yah since when is Jason scared of water. He went in the water and stuck his machete through her in part 4. Walked in the water goin after Tommy in part 6. Went in the water and killer a chick in part 7. And like it mentioned he swam from the ship all the way to NY. and all of a sudden hes afraid of water? Now don't get me wrong I'm not completely ripping on this film. I'm just saying they messed that part up. but over all good movie, a little dissapointing, but good


syn79
3:33am, February 12, 2009

I like it...personally I think Jasons costume and mask are the best of the series(not counting the remake) the mask just looks right to me...that said, not casting Kane was utterly ridiculous.


jkrouskop
3:46am, February 12, 2009

Gripe all you want, but I've seen the damn thing dozens of times and never failed to have fun watching it. $82 mil is $82 mil, and you can count on your monkey-spankin' hand the number of slasher flicks that have earned that kind of scratch and have fingers to spare. If you can make an argument that truly negates the significance of the above number (without which, we wouldn't currently be enjoying 13 Days of F13 building to this remake), you'll be the first to do so anywhere in the five and a half years since the movie's release. If pinball, Jason's subconscious fear of water, or Jason Ritter's pause acting are enough to keep you from enjoying the parts that do work (the kills, the pacing, Monica Keena's breathtaking rack, the best Freddy sequences since DREAM WARRIORS, and, above all, the final fight - probably the most satisfying of any movie crossover duel in history), then you should have stayed home in the first place. The countless rejected scripts sure as hell wouldn't have been better, and few screenwriters would have bothered to steep their story so heavily in the mythologies of their respective franchises.


jkrouskop
4:01am, February 12, 2009

In fact, let me lay something on you, since "afraid of water" is such an ob-comp hang-up for some. In the opriginal 1954 GODZILLA (GOJIRA), electricity had no effect on Godzilla whatsoever. Two films later, in KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, electricity hurt Godzilla but strengthened Kong. Electrical current was again harmful to the Big G in GODZILLA VS. THE THING, his second "crossover" showdown (with Mothra). In subsequent Godzilla films, electricity has either made him stronger or had no effect at all. It's called a plot device, and it only has to make sense within the context of the film it is used in. Whene Shinichi Sekizawa wrote his script for KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, he was far less concerned about keeping strict continuity with the previous two entries than he was with telling an exciting story, and the film's record-breaking box office success (which helped ensure that Godzilla films would continue to be made for decades after) proved that he was right. Swift and Shannon did the same thing when they introduced the concept of Jason's subconscious fear of water, based on his drowning as a boy. Jason needed a weakness for Freddy to exploit, or else the fight would have been completely one-sided. The writers could have made him afraid of spiders or public speaking or clowns, but none of those things have any logical foundation in the established Voorhees mythos. Drowning, on the other hand, is central to Jason's story. So, for the sake of one film, the writers took advantage of the dream world setting and gave Jason a subconscious fear that doesn't manifest itself when he's awake. And, as with KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, that decision proved a wise one at the box office.


Slashaholic
4:06am, February 12, 2009

yea i have to admit the part where jason acts afraid of water was a little ridiculous but other than that i have to say overall it was a good movie


francesco
4:11am, February 12, 2009

ahhhhhh i can remember those sweet days, when fvsj came out it made more than 36 millions its first week-end! a blockbuster! i love this movie and i'm still waiting for a sequel! wet-dreams!


Horror Writer
4:39am, February 12, 2009

According to the writers on the bonus disc of His Name Was Jason they only hinted at his issues with water in the script but Ronny Yu or the producers added the whole scared of water plotline. Dumb to say in Parts 4, 6, 7 and 8 he seemed fine with it


AmazingSpiderMan
5:44am, February 12, 2009

I agree with the person who said it was a "dream world" concept. Jason's inner child and all that. Horror fans are just fickle as hell and complain about everything. P.S. HUGE POINTS to the guy who talked about King Kong vs. Godzilla. I've watched alot of horror movies in my life and characters are constantly changed and updated and so on, and it's generally part of the "vs" routine to give the monsters a new weakness. Alien vs. Predator did the same thing.


rusted31
5:53am, February 12, 2009

The thing I hate most about this movie is that Ronny Yu, Damien Shannon and Mark Swift chose to treat the audience like 3 year olds by having Krueger explain every 5 seconds what the plot was all about . Very dumb move guys. Also, this one had the worst cast of teens ever ! Plus the nu metal soundtrack sucked as did the whole hypnocil sub plot. I wish Alice and Tommy Jarvis etc were in it. Have to say the scenes with Freddy and Jason ripping each other to shreds were great but that was about it . A major let down if there ever was one.


thephantomk
6:24am, February 12, 2009

And yet the same writers who wrote this crap wrote the new Friday Reamke film that's getting a lot of praise at moment from early reviews. Hey freddy vs jason got good praise too when it original came out. Time tells no lies though.. Just saying. Glad these 2 douches didn't write the Nightmare Remake.


thephantomk
6:34am, February 12, 2009

inflation. Halloween would have made 147 million if came out today- it only made 47 million when it came out in 1978. How you figure the true earning of a film based on it's earning when it came out is you divide the price of a single ticket by the total gross. then you take the number it gives you and you times it by the price of the ticket in the year that a sequel or remake outpreformed it in. You'd be real shocked to see just how unwell freddy vs jason fairs to the original films if you adjusted their original gross to match the cost of the movie ticket for the film that did big buisness. Halloween is a good example it smokes the 80 million rob zombie's remake made. Heres the price rundown of tickets.---------------------------- 2009 Est.$7.20 ------------------------ 2008 $7.20 ---------------------------- 2007 $6.88 ---------------------------- 2006 $6.55 ---------------------------- 2005 $6.41 ---------------------------- 2004 $6.21 ---------------------------- 2003 $6.03 ---------------------------- 2002 $5.81 ---------------------------- 2001 $5.66 ---------------------------- 2000 $5.39 ---------------------------- 1999 $5.08 ---------------------------- 1998 $4.69 ---------------------------- 1997 $4.59 ---------------------------- 1996 $4.42 ---------------------------- 1995 $4.35 ---------------------------- 1994 $4.18 ---------------------------- 1993 $4.14 ---------------------------- 1992 $4.15 ---------------------------- 1991 $4.21 ---------------------------- 1990 $4.23 ---------------------------- 1989 $3.97 ---------------------------- 1988 $4.11 ---------------------------- 1987 $3.91 ---------------------------- 1986 $3.71 ---------------------------- 1985 $3.55 ---------------------------- 1984 $3.36 ---------------------------- 1983 $3.15 ---------------------------- 1982 $2.94 ---------------------------- 1981 $2.78 ---------------------------- 1980 $2.69 ---------------------------- 1979 $2.51 ---------------------------- 1978 $2.34 ---------------------------- 1977 $2.23 ---------------------------- 1976 $2.13 ---------------------------- 1975 $2.05 ---------------------------- 1974 $1.87 ---------------------------- 1973 $1.77 ---------------------------- 1972 $1.70 ---------------------------- 1971 $1.65 ---------------------------- 1970 $1.55 ---------------------------- 1969 $1.42 ---------------------------- 1968 $1.31 ---------------------------- 1967 $1.20 ---------------------------- 1966 $1.09 ---------------------------- 1965 $1.01 ---------------------------- 1964 $0.93 ------------------------- 1963 $0.85 --------------------- 1962 $0.70 ----------------------- 1961 $0.69 ---------------------- 1959 $0.51 --------------------- 1956 $0.50 --------------------- 1954 $0.45 ------------------ 1953 $0.60 ---------------------- 1951 $0.53 ------------------------ 1949 $0.46 ------------------------ 1948 $0.40 ----------------------- 1945 $0.35 --------------------- 1944 $0.32 --------------------- 1943 $0.29 ------------------------ 1942 $0.27 ---------------------- 1941 $0.25 ------------------------ 1940 $0.24 ------------------------ 1939 $0.23 -------------------------- 1936 $0.25 ---------------------- 1935 $0.24 ---------------------- 1934 $0.23 ------------------------- 1929 $0.35 ------------------------- 1924 $0.25 ------------------- 1910 $0.07 ----------------------- ---


ThunderDragoon
6:36am, February 12, 2009

I really love this movie. It's one of my favorites. Hopefully they'll make a sequel.


thephantomk
7:06am, February 12, 2009

Friday the 13th : Original Gross $39,754,601 Year 1980. Adjusted $106,406,366---- Friday the 13th Part 2: Original Gross $21,722,776 Year 1981. Adjusted $56,260,427 Friday the 13th Part 3: Original Gross $36,690,067 Year 1982. Adjusted $89,853,225-- Friday the 13th The Final Chapter: Original Gross $32,980,880 Year 1984. Adjusted $70,673,314------ Friday the 13th Part 5 A new Begining: Original Gross $21,930,418 Year 1985, Adjusted $44,478,594----- Friday the 13th Part 6 Jason Lives: Original Gross $19,472,057 Year 1986, Adjusted $37,789,436----- Friday the 13th Part 7 New Blood: Original Gross $19,170,001 Year 1988. Adjusted $33,582,483----- Friday the 13th Part 8 Jason Takes Manhatten: Original Gross $14,343,976 Year 1989. Adjusted $26,014,263--------- Jason Goes to Hell the Final Friday: $15,935,068 Year 1993. Adjusted $27,713,161-------- Jason X: $13,121,555 Year 2002. Adjusted $16,260,791-------All adjustments are adjusted to 2009 ticket prices of $7.20- one thing to also think about these films didn't play on as many screens as this remake will. So it's hard to gauge what real ammount they would have earned if they got the same run the remake will.


Horror Writer
7:22am, February 12, 2009

Who cares about how much the movie made? It's still shit!


OralSurgeryDisaster
7:35am, February 12, 2009

I agree with Horror writer. Just because the general public likes a movie, does not make it good. This movie sucks and that's all there is to it.


Fridaythe13th
7:50am, February 12, 2009

Just because you think this movie sucks, OralSurgery, doesn't mean it sucks either.


Horror Writer
7:52am, February 12, 2009

But if it sucks to you that's all that matters. And I can't believe people keep going on about if they'll make a sequel. Eveeryone said no, the sequel became a comic, and the franchise continued instead with a remake. So no FvJ2


tylerdq14
8:39am, February 12, 2009

saw it in theaters as a freddy fan do you know i loved it but i was made that jason got all the kills they could of gave freddy some


francesco
8:54am, February 12, 2009

just wait to see how well f13th 2009 will do!


Wings1295
8:55am, February 12, 2009

Definitely feels like a "Freddy" movie, with Jason in it. It is okay, but couldn't have been so much more. And yah... Jason was NEVER afraid of water!


ChrisV
9:33am, February 12, 2009

Fuck this movie!


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