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Clive Barker Responds to 'Meat Train' Massacre
Monday, August 25, 2008


By: MrDisgusting
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Back on August 1st, Lionsgate dumped the Clive Barker adaptation of The Midnight Meat Train in only 100 (discount) theaters. It created an uproar (especially here on BD) and is still the subject of strict scrutiny. This weekend MTV posted an interview they ran with Barker, who punches out his thoughts on the events of this past month. Read on for the skinny.

There’s room for everything,” Barker tells MTV. “You don’t have to sh– on somebody else’s work to advance your own material.” Barker is referring to Lionsgate president Joe Drake, a man who has been the center of blame from many perspectives.

"This is all about ego, and though I mourn the fact that ‘Midnight Meat Train’ was never given its chance in theaters, it’s a beautifully stylish, scary movie, and it isn’t going anywhere. People will find it, and whether they find it in midnight shows or they find it on DVD, they’ll find it, and in the end the Joe Drakes of the world will disappear.

In the interview with MTV News he calls Drake “small-minded” and a “nobody.” Ouch.

We'll bring you our own report soon enough, once we find some time to pull all the material together.

In the latest BOOKS OF BLOOD adaptation, the story features a commuter's run-in with a New York subway serial killer and a horde of subterranean cannibals.



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DevilNeverCry81
12:41pm, August 25, 2008
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Told you guys Joe Drake was an idiot. He gave preferential treatment to his film "The Strangers" and let "Meat Train" die a discount theater death. Hopefully it will be on DVD soon. Ridiculous title aside, I wanted to see it because "Will Tippen" and "Brooke McQueen" were both in it.

KandyMan
12:45pm, August 25, 2008
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Midnight Meat Train cant get released on DVD soon enough for my money, I just hope we're not given a rediculous wait because of Mr Drake. KM

Jacques
1:11pm, August 25, 2008
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The Strangers was far superior to The Midnight Meat Train, so I don't blame Joe. But, really, WHEN is MMT coming out on DVD?

Amazonagent
1:14pm, August 25, 2008
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I could see this being the case but the only thing that doesn't make sense about this is that The Strangers isn't even in the theaters any more so MMT wouldn't have been competing against it when it was released earlier this month. But I do believe something big did happen behind the scenes with this movie and the powers that be at LG. :-/

vulgata.
2:14pm, August 25, 2008
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The Strangers superior to MMT? Maybe if that formula hadn't already been done to death (Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Funny Games, Hills Have Eyes, etc), but MMT was an intelligent story that, although it could have used some elaboration, revealed something new or at least took a given formula further (CHUD).

Cenobitten
2:14pm, August 25, 2008
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Clive Barker showed much more restraint in his criticisms than I would have. Can't wait for the DVD!

Sharkguy
2:24pm, August 25, 2008
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I don't understand the story. THE STRANGERS was released by ROGUE, which is a division of UNIVERSAL. Why would an executive for LIONSGATE give a film from another studio preferential treatment?

flesheater123
2:29pm, August 25, 2008
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parker rules fuck Jo drake or whatever his ass is, sounds like a fruitbasket to me. Since IDK his production company seems to be turning for the worst, by churning out shit like diaster movie GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK. Jo do us a favor end your life.

BloodFlow
2:49pm, August 25, 2008
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And Clive was STILL being a gentleman about this fucking bullshit. Maybe it'll inspire him to write some really good fucked up shit!!!!!11

Jacques
2:53pm, August 25, 2008
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vulgata: TMMT formula has been done more than The Strangers formula! TMMT is and always was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre with a photographer on a train. I've seen cartoons with more intelligence and less cliches. I put it on the same level as Mirrors and The Happening. Unoriginal, pointless, and no where near as gory as they claimed they were. I see no reason it would have deserved a full release. Then again, neither did half the movies that came out this year . . .

Big Bad Wolf
3:12pm, August 25, 2008
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Jacques, I take it you've never seen the film, nor have you read the story. I don't remember anything in TCM even remotely resembling a (SPOILERS)secret conspiracy involving NYC being secretly ruled by a race of intelligent underground creatures(SPOILERS).

Sharkguy
3:18pm, August 25, 2008
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Since the website has altered the story since I originally read it, I think it's safe to assume that LIONSGATE's treatment of TMMT is in no way related to THE STRANGERS, as was originally suggested.

mira101
3:32pm, August 25, 2008
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Clive kicks ass.

Jacques
3:36pm, August 25, 2008
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Big Bad Wolf: I'm referring to the premise and the majority of the story. The overall plot was as cheesy as cheese comes, and as someone else pointed out, is nothing different than 50's monster movies with a minor cheesy spin *spoilers* the monsters are intelligent *end spoilers* and overall did nothing but what has been done a hundred times in movies like CHUD. Unless the majority of America lost any brain they had and actually can hold themselves from laughing to death, Lionsgate was 100% right for withholding this from theaters. Mirrors was the only unintentional comedy that had a major release, we didn't need two this year.

Maelstrom
3:47pm, August 25, 2008
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Wait... Theres been a hundred movies like CHUD?! OMG I want a list right now!

Clot_Sandwich
3:55pm, August 25, 2008
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They're doing the same thing with Repo!

ParisHiltonLover
4:00pm, August 25, 2008
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The Strangers Was A Peace Of Shit!!! Ok Liv Tyler Can't Even Act!!! I mean at least Paris can give a good scream!!! & the movie was pretty stupid no plot,not much dialogue,and not even a good music score!!!

crossbones
4:39pm, August 25, 2008
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I was wondering why Clive have been silent since this whole mess occured. I would pretty much love to see MMT in a theater soon. I'm worried that if this can happen then it's gonna happen to more upcoming horror movies that can deliver the goods. God damn, it's gonna be like the 90's again and that's gonna fucking suck.

IrvingWallace
5:09pm, August 25, 2008
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at the comic con premiere of the trailer the screenwriter shouted out (when the lionsgate logo came on the screen) "Joe Drake sucks!" the room then became silent, haha.

hieian
5:16pm, August 25, 2008
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Clot_Sandwich is correct about Repo being given the same treatment. I talked to Bill Moseley when he was at Horrorfind in my area and he mentioned that Repo was being released in 3 cites only. The only way that more theaters could get Repo is to go to your local theater or go to the websites of some major theater chains to request that they have it on their screens.

Irish Mic
5:43pm, August 25, 2008
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I think with lionsgate kind of being the modern new line they should fire the high ups and put indie and horror directors at the head of it. Or start a studio that is strictly for them then they have no one to blame but themselves if it fails. Jacques did you say this was a monster movie? Im confused I thought it was a serial killer on a train please explain. I want to see the movie but I dont care if something gets spoiled for me.

sistergomez
6:08pm, August 25, 2008
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I saw MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN last week and it was pretty damn mediocre. LG was wise to not give it a huge theatrical release that they would have lost money on. Same goes for REPO. It looks like a disaster. Just because a movie's a horror movie doesn't mean it's a good movie and/or will make a load of cash theatrically. This sort of thing happens to much better films all of the time.

CrystalLakeCounselor
6:36pm, August 25, 2008
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Irish Mic: Find a copy of the story (you may even be able to find one online for free), it's a quick read, and it's worth the time. It's got a great creep factor

Protecious
6:37pm, August 25, 2008
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but if you have a movie that has a name attatched to it like clive barker, it should be easier and more profitable to show previews mentioning his name because fans of his books, his movies will want to come see it, but if they dont put out the ad's and invest in it, nobody will know except die hard fans with internet access. a film company owner/runner fucking up is nothing new, they dont put out movies they personally are passionate about, they just care about how much money they have in the bank, if it was me, id prefer good crediability and a low bank account rather than a mediocore ran company with a large bank account, in the end it isnt the true artists that call the shots, it's the cocksuckers in the 3 piece suits getting things handed to them on a silver platter

Irish Mic
6:42pm, August 25, 2008
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Nice!! Thanxs Crystal has anyone read Cabal that was the novel Nightbreed was based on. If they did a true version to the novel it would be SIC read that novel awesome. Not saying Nightbreed was bad I loved it but a true to novel would be sic.

Irish Mic
6:50pm, August 25, 2008
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Liv Tyler cant act? And the person you chose to compare is PARIS FUCKING HILTON!!! Fuck off, I mean everyone is entitled to there opinion. Paris with acting chops, far from. The strangers was great for what it was. Paris Hilton goooooood!!! She cant do anything she cant even fuck on camera well and she was really doin that! Sorry no offense to you Lover of whores, but she is about as good as a kidney stone the size of a baseball. You cant truely believe she is good. You must be doin this to get a rise out of people in which case you have succeded

garyodart
8:12pm, August 25, 2008
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Ihave not seen it but is the strangers a remake of the movie Them ?The trailer looks the same and why do we need this after the two funny games movies ??

The Dark One
8:26pm, August 25, 2008
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Irish Mic i fuckin' agree dude! Paris Hilton sucks!!!

DBlock
9:03pm, August 25, 2008
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The Strangers and Them had a similiar premise but two different stories. I liked both. I was excited for MMT and disappointed that it did not play anywhere remotley close to me. I will see the DVD you can be sure of that.

foghorne
10:58pm, August 25, 2008
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fuck the "strangers", it was a rip of of the french movie "them". they were different because you cant have adults running around killing kids. if we could, you would see a faithful remake of "battle royale"

Kaname Tousen
12:51am, August 26, 2008
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NOPE not really after WV massacare and columbine expect a watered down maybe even PG-13 remake of BR and BR2

Kaname Tousen
12:52am, August 26, 2008
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I've seen how much Paris sucks LOL and she sucks pretty damn hard. anyway Clive wheres my new hell raiser and candy man

shinigamiryuk
1:14am, August 26, 2008
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Hey Listen up people. Any of you that dare bash The Midnight Meat Train obviously don't have the fucking intelligence to understand Clive Barker, his books, and his movies. Yes it fucking sucks that Lionsgate did not give us Barker fans the proper release the movie deserved. However, in the day and age of crap like the strangers and prom night, what can you expect. I just thought that the world had better respect for, in my opinion, one of the greatest visionaries we horror fans have ever known

macho555
1:18am, August 26, 2008
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I wasn't lucky enough to see MMT, but I have read Clive's Books Of Blood and several other books of his. I ABSOLUTELY refuse to believe that "The Strangers" is in any way, shape, or form, more creative than something Clive Barker came up with and fully endorses like this. If this treatment of his idea sucked, Clive would have come out and said so like he has in the past. Fuck Joe Drake and Fuck Lionsgate for this political bullshit.

Justin_Voorhees
1:22am, August 26, 2008
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Jacques the biggest douche bag in the history of bloody-disgusting.

JGrayland
1:22am, August 26, 2008
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This just in... Jacques is still an idiot. His rants against MMT make absolutely no sense, which DOES make sense once you consider the fact that he never saw the movie (hence comparing it to movies it doesnt resemble in the slightest - MMT has more in common with Ghost than it does TCM).

horrorchick81
7:08am, August 26, 2008
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never read any of the books of blood, but i have seen a few of clive barkers movies. (hellraiser to name one) but lionsgate and that moron Joe Drake can all go and screw themselves. i wanted to see this in my theatre really bad. i seen the trailer on this on here and its been awhile since been grossed and sickened by a GOOD horror movie. and this movie did it. clive barker is a genius. im sick of all the stupid remakes and waterdown horror flicks. i cant wait for this to come on dvd i am so buying it. never seen the strangers...and ya paris cant act her way threw crap i cant stand her. shes annoying as hell. she sucked in house of wax ramake.

Woodland Critter
9:05am, August 26, 2008
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I'm kinda tired of being pissed off at stupid studio business moves. It's not like this shit never happened before. Mainstream sucks donkey ass and real horror fans will always recognize real. Support Barker and buy the DVD. And I actually liked House of Wax just for giving me the chance to see that hilton slut die.. LOL

abe_the_cop
9:36am, August 26, 2008
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nice jeans

lilscarygothgirl
10:06am, August 26, 2008
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i really want to see tmmt but i don't think it will be released in the uk. i like the story and really hope i can see the movie.i can't even get on dvd, which sucks.

MrPaster
11:01am, August 26, 2008
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TMMT made $ 354 980 in Russia. Also Clive Barker is far from being popular here, you could watch it in every theater. LG shit their own pocket dumping TMMT in US. And the movie is great.

Inga
11:47am, August 26, 2008
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I saw both The Strangers and Them and other than them both being about people being terrorized at night in a house in the middle of nowhere...I dont see any comparison? Clive Barker is a great story teller...yes the movies they do based on his stories..are not always to full potential. But atleast he is trying new things and not rehashing old material.

Inga
11:48am, August 26, 2008
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I still have not had a chance to see TMMT but look forward to having a chance soon!


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