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Box Office Bombs, Mr. Disgusting Responds
Sunday, November 11, 2007


By: MrDisgusting
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P2 (review) opens at #8 with only $2.2 million in 2,131 theaters; After Dark Horrorfest (reviews) opens at #25 with only $512,000 in 323 theaters. It’s safe to say that this weekend was a major disaster for our genre. Both the AFTER DARK HORRORFEST and P2 bombed, and they bombed badly – but the real tragedy isn’t their bank accounts, it’s our beloved genre. There will be plenty of excuses thrown around over the course of the next week, but before the BS circulates I’d like to give my opinion on the situation. Read on for the skinny.


I’m on the defensive, especially now that horror is once again going to be on trial.

It’s completely unfair that every time a horror movie flops Hollywood is so quick to bag the genre, call it washed up and declare it dead. Summit’s P2 made a despicable $2.2 million and opened at the #7 spot. This is a pretty bad flop considering how many theaters it opened in and how big of a marketing push it had. They probably spent anywhere from $10-15 million just in advertising alone, then add on the budget. This is a disaster for Summit. What drives me crazy is that no one will take note of what is sitting at #6… SAW IV. Lionsgate’s sequel is still puling in the cash and has made nearly $60 million to date. But still the Hollywood Reporter and Variety will call the genre dead. And look at #9, 30 DAYS OF NIGHT is nearing $40 million!

Our genre is alive and kicking. There’s just something to be said about these numbers. We need to reflect.

Now here’s the kicker. It may look as if the AFTER DARK HORRORFEST did worse than P2, but in fact it didn’t. The HORRORFEST pulled in $500,000 on only 323 screens, so if my calculations are right the festival would have made $3.5 million in 2,100 screens. But the real shame they have to endure is the fact that they had EIGHT movies open up and it only made that much money.

So who is to blame for this disastrous horror weekend?

Everyone will blame the horror fans, claiming we don’t leave the house and steal everything online. No no no no no no no no no. Then why did 30 DAYS OF NIGHT, SAW IV, 1408 and HALLOWEEN perform so well? And why will THE MIST do extremely well? GOOD MARKETING or quite simply making a good movie helps.

The horror fan has a stigma – everyone in Hollywood thinks we’ll watch any piece of sh-t and like it… that we’re grateful for any scrape of gore put on our plate. This might have been true in the past, but not now, not anymore. I’m so grateful for films like WRONG TURN 2 coming to video because it brings a high standard for home video. Nearly everything you find at a video store is a piece of crap on the highest level. The movies are made just to make a quick million by getting it into Blockbuster or Wal-Mart with a shiny cover. It reminds me of comic books back in the ‘90s – nice cover, sh-t inside. The same goes for theaters, only there’s some weird disillusionment from the producers. Every producer and director can’t recognize that their sh-t don’t stink, they think their movie is theatrical worthy when it’s barely even DVD worthy. P2 and HORRORFEST are both examples. Nine movies that don’t belong in theaters and yet ended up there. TIMBER FALLS is the next to help seal our fate.

We’re getting smarter as horror fans are starting to realize what’s good and what’s crap. It’s insane to me that these companies will pump all this money into advertising in the hopes that their movie will make tens of millions of dollars.

So who is to blame for these flops? It’s the studios for thinking we’re dumb enough to pay to see a crappy movie… and for marketing them like crap.

I don’t think Summit did a very good job in promoting P2, but I want to focus all my energy on After Dark Films. Let’s review shall we? First let’s bring to attention the “Miss Horrorfest” competition. The amount of time, energy and money that went into this promotion is laughable. What horror fans correlates this competition with the 8 Films to Die For and CARES? So what if they got top placement on YouTube, the YouTube regulars aren’t watching these auditions and videos from the girls because they want to know more about Horrorfest, they want boobs and hot chicks. In the end all they did was create awareness for Miss Horrorfest, which to most people is just the hottest of Goth chicks. Weeee.

To make matters worse they didn’t learn a thing from last year. The company was out promoting “After Dark Horrorfest” and NOT the individual movies. You might see the After Dark poster in theaters but it says nothing about the festival and nothing about the movie in it. What are the eight movies? What are the eight films about? Where can I buy tickets? Are they good movies? Have I heard of them? Where’s the trailer? Where’s the poster? What do they look like? These are only a few questions I would ask as a horror fan when I saw the poster… and that’s all too many questions. There should be ZERO questions after looking at the poster. No person on this planet is going to see the After Dark Horrorfest ad and stop, pull out a pen and start writing stuff down to research. If youre one of the lucky individuals who read Bloody-Disgusting then you were well informed, and you realized all the movies were crap anyways. So in the end it wouldn’t have mattered anyways.

To make matters worse, the company made posters and trailers for all eight films, but only released them online and released most of them the week of release. What’s the point? If they’re not in theaters then only people who want to know more about TOOTH & NAIL will see them. At this point youre pitching the people who are already interested and not GAINING awareness.

Furthering the problem is that Horrorfest wasn’t in a lot of theaters and if it was, the event was in a crappy theater. It almost makes you say, “You know what, Ill wait for DVD.”

It’s insane to me that so much energy and money goes into these films but blindly. You can throw money around and alert people to your presence, but if you don’t do it right you’re just throwing money away.

Just a note to anyone else planning on doing the same thing (TIMBER FALLS): throw the money here instead, because in the end I’ll have a better use for it.

Horror is not dead; it’s just waiting for a quality film to hit theaters. We have I AM LEGEND and SWEENEY TODD coming in December and if those movies flop, then you can start asking questions. It’s incredibly frustrating how much weight is put behind films like SKINWALKERS and CAPTIVITY. At this point I wish After Dark would either learn from their mistakes and clean up their act or go away. They’re hurting our genre by dumping garbage into theaters.

No wonder no one goes to the movies anymore. Who likes being ripped off?


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sethdlh
4:39pm, November 11, 2007
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horrorfest is a tough one to look at. 8 movies combined for $512k but how many people want to see more then 1 or 2 movies in a weekend? that gets pretty expensive. i think the best idea for horrorfest 3 is to spread them out, one each weekend. or 2 each weekend. 8 in one weekend gets crazy.

sethdlh
4:43pm, November 11, 2007
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to add on to that, there was maybe 1 movie of the 8 that i thought could be interesting. i agree, its nothing but crap.

thezombieepidemic
5:11pm, November 11, 2007
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amen!

deusdiabolus
5:17pm, November 11, 2007
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Regarding marketing, I'd like to throw in my two cents and mention the fact that the Horrorfest website linked to Fandango for showtime/ticket info. I don't know about other locations, but for my area (Wichita), there was absolutely NO INFORMATION on the Horrorfest films on the Fandango site. I had to go to the website of the local theater chain to get all the scheduling information I needed. I don't know who's to blame for that, but it needs to be rectified.

Saturdaythe13th
5:53pm, November 11, 2007
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Mr. Disgusting - Quit sounding like such a victim. After Dark Horrorfest looked lame. YOU yourself gave P2 a bad review. Why is it a surprise that these movies bombed? Horror movies bomb, just like romantic comedies sometimes bomb. Welcome to the real world. Look at the 80s/90s, they had tons of horror bombs. But, just like right now, they also had tons of horror successes (Aliens, Nightmare on Elm Street Series, Friday the 13th Series, Halloween series, etc...) The Saw series is alive and kicking. Next month has Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem. September saw the success of Resident Evil: Extinction (which has made almost 120 million worldwide!).

South_park300
6:10pm, November 11, 2007
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quit freaking out mr. disgusting. if a comedy bombs, people don't cry that it's the end of that genre, or any other genre. most people didn't even know about both P2, OR the horrorfest. so whatever. and for crying out loud, this site gave horrible reviews to nearly all of those movies, you can't be upset people decided to spend their money on better movies.

MrDisgusting
6:54pm, November 11, 2007
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Saturdaythe13th: We're the victim of bad movies and bad marketing and idiotic new companies trying to cash in on our love for the genre with pieces of crap that dont deserve it.

videogamevegas
7:30pm, November 11, 2007
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I'm of course sad to hear about the After Dark Horrorfest 2 bombing at the box office. Since this article really sparked my interest, I thought I'd share my two cents which I added to on of my blogs: I just read a sad article on bloodydisgusting.com about how the After Dark Horrorfest 2 bombed at the box office. I can’t wait to see all eight of these films included in Horrorfest 2, but like the first Horrorfest, I’ll wait for them to come out on DVD. Just as the PG-13 rating has murdered the movie industry with its safe cutting of a film, so too has the MPAA’s ratings of films in general. (Note: I’m sure none of the After Dark films are rated PG-13, I just wanted to make a comparison.) I know if I wait until a movie comes out on DVD, especially a horror film, I can see the movie how it was originally intended to be seen with an un-rated version. Plus the way theatres are run today, if I choose to go to one, I run the likely risk of watching the film with rude people talking, using their cell phones, or randomly kicking my seat. Frankly I’m sick of that atmosphere, especially when I’m trying to get my scare on.

clintox
9:52pm, November 11, 2007
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Actually, Mr. Disgusting, it seems as if we are not the victims, hence the poor attendance/box office revenue for lame horror movies. If we were truly the victims, then we would blindly give our money away for such trash. I like horror movies, but I believe the genre in a whole is in a slump. Hell, for that matter all movies in all genres being pumped out of Hollywood seem to be unoriginal and overall poor. That doesn't mean necessarily mean a genre is dying, nor is it an excuse to get your panties in a bunch from what "Hollywood is so quick to bag the genre, call it washed up and declare it dead". A good movie, despite the genre, will always be hard to find, if that.

gorepunk
10:03pm, November 11, 2007
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I think the reason why P2 bombed is not because of the marketing but because of the stars. I mean nobody knows who Rachel Nichols is or even cares about Wes Blently. We all knew this movie was going to bomb but will at least make a little bit of money but not a become a hit and as for the ADHF, my god dont get me started. Last year it got at the Top 10 because nobody knew what they were, if they knew they were going to be sucky movies then people wouldnt have gone and watched them. I remember watching a preview for this back when I was watching Saw 3, what sold me was the "TOO SHOCKING FOR MAINSTREAM AUDIENCES". Thats where I was like hey I have to check these films out especially with the nightmarish scenes they added to the previews partically the one from "GRAVEDANCERS" (sucky movie though). Now that people knew better they stayed away and so did I. Thats just my rant.

Metal420
11:21pm, November 11, 2007
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yea, the afterdark movies are fucking horrible. I'm glad they bomb because they represent the overrated garbage of the genre and its time to kick them out. Everyone involved with those movies should have their balls removed with pliers.

milkieboy
11:42pm, November 11, 2007
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The horror genre has had it tough this year, especially since most of the general public shun such big movies that were being boasted by the bad publicity they were receiving, Captivity and Hostel 2, and the mixed reviewed hype remake of Halloween. I understand what Mr. Disgusting is saying, horror is subjected to the harshest criticism simply because it is hard to create a good or great horror film. Comedy, action, drama, etc...still have a higher percentage rate shown in theaters than horror. This genre is my favorite but for every gem there are piles and piles of sh*t.

italiandemon_6
12:03am, November 12, 2007
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im gonna support THE MIST. I GOTTA GO SEE THAT MOVIE!!!

italiandemon_6
12:08am, November 12, 2007
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sweeney tood is a horror movie? well i aint gonna see that piece of shit. but i am gonna see I AM LEGEND,ONE MISSED CALL,THE EYE,FUNNY GAMES AND THE RUINS AND SCANNERS! but i aint gonna see PROM NIGHT uhhhh yuckkk

italiandemon_6
12:11am, November 12, 2007
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oh yea 1408 is so fcuking boring. i have no idea how that movie made alot of moneyyy. i understand Halloween and 30 Days of Night those movies kicked ass haha.

HighlyTENSE
1:27am, November 12, 2007
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Horror fans getting smarter? Halloween 07 made 58 million.... The SAW franchise is still going strong.... That's not what I'd call intellectual growth.

HighlyTENSE
1:31am, November 12, 2007
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I'd also like to point out that the best horror films that have come out namely films like HAUTE TENSION, Land of the Dead, 28 Weeks Later, and The DESCENT all bombed in the theaters. Hell neither of Zombie's prior films made any money. Only way he made some dough was directing a piece of crap and slapping the "HALLOWEEN" title on it as you of course know is an iconic franchise brandname. So don't blow smoke up our asses spewing shit about the horror loving audience getting smarter. Just as dumb as ever if anything. Just read the responses above me, and tell me I'm wrong.

HighlyTENSE
1:47am, November 12, 2007
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I wish we were able to edit our comments, because I forgot a few more MUCH more worthy horror films that made diddly in the box office. SLITHER, FEAST, and HOSTEL part 2<< why didn't this one make any money???. It just seems that only gimmicky franchise horror is what makes the good money while genuine well done films are left in the dust.

HorrorManiac
2:34am, November 12, 2007
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our genre is fine......what, do you guys thinks its supposedly in jeopardy or something? why? lol movies bomb all the time

ultrazilla2000
2:44am, November 12, 2007
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I'm really not suprised about the Horror Fest bombing...these movies are more suited for the home rental market. Not to mention that even though they are SUPPOSED to be in "theaters everywhere"...they're not! In my area there are two indy theaters, two Regal Cinemas and one Carmike Cinema, and none of them are showing an After Dark movie. In fact, I have to drive 30 miles to find the nearest theater which is showing one. Sorry, but I'll wait for Blockbuster to get them. Not to mention after viewing last years selections on DVD...I didn't really miss much by waiting for home video. They're not that good!

JGrayland
3:28am, November 12, 2007
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He's right about After Dark's awful marketing... I shouldn't have to research what movies are playing or what they are about. If someone didn't have internet access, they would have absolutely no way of knowing even the titles of the 8 films. And yeah, the theater selection is garbage, again. Why would I want to pay regular prices (which, in LA, are about 11-12 bucks) at a subpar theater to see what will likely be a subpar film? They tricked me last year, but now I know better. there's a reason that most of these films aren't being given real releases (though last year had 2 bright spots, the super fun Gravedancers and the well made, if somewhat poorly written Abandoned).

francesco
4:39am, November 12, 2007
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it has always been. they hate horror but horror is still alive. variety talks about flop but there 3 horror movie on the top 10. 30 days is almost 40. SAW is almost 60. wow. is it dead to u???

Knight of Cydonia
10:01am, November 12, 2007
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I'm with Mr. Digusting. After I read the reviews on THIS WEBSITE for the horrorfest films, I had no desire to see them because I trust anyone who reviews the films on this website over anyone else. If I'm going to pay a ridiculous ticket price to see a horror movie, it better be a GOOD horror movie.

JoeR
10:29am, November 12, 2007
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The reason both bombed is marketing, plain and simple as quality never has much to do with a film's opening weekend. After Dark did a horrid job this year; not buying TV spots or advertising the individual films, or getting trailer placement in theatres. I never once saw the combination trailer in theatres this year when I saw the trailer for the first Horrorfest multiple times in theatres. I saw all 8 films this year, just like last year, and the quality was better. Mr. Disgusting said that every movie was bad but Borderland definitely wasn't, it even got a good review on this site. Nightmare Man, Mulberry Street, and Tooth and Nail were also entertaining with the only truly terrible movie being Crazy Eights. Hopefully, After Dark learns its lesson and tries Horrorfest once more. Summit did an equally worse job with P2. Did they even try and market it outside of the Internet as I didn't see one TV spot and the single time I saw the trailer was before Saw IV and I go to the theatres every weekend.

hieian
11:18am, November 12, 2007
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First of all P2 is more of a psychological thriller than a horror film, so nobody should lump it with other horror films. With Horror Fest, the main problem with that is people having to pay the price of admission to see every film instead of paying one price for the entire run. I would not blame marketing for these two films not doing well since it's the studios that greenlight these projects in the first place and that's where the blame should go along with the writers who wrote those screeenplays. I will not see the 2007 version of Last Man on Earth/Omega Man since I have seen the Vincent Price original many times, but I will see Sweeney Todd since it's Tim Burton and it has the feel of a Hammer Horror film. From now on, let's not classify obvious psychological thrillers, action films, drama, and other films that belongs to other classifcations as horror as well as not promoting anything that isn't horror like Shoot Em Up.

hozeho
11:40am, November 12, 2007
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OMG the Dallas TX HorrorFEST was a big ole cluster "F" shame on all involved. i tracked down emails,which were hard to find to lions gate and amc. and i almost bought the all access pass.

Tex Massacre
11:45am, November 12, 2007
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After Dark has a lot of problems. First up, they're charging too much for tickets. I had 3 theaters playing them here in Orlando. But dammed if I would drive to Universal Studios and pay 10 bucks for the ticket and 11 bucks to park to see the stuff they were showing. Even in my review of Nightmare Man I tried to warn people that this was not a "theatrical film". Now, in defence of Borderland. I think Zev's film deserved a theatrical run as much as anyone else. Marketing always sucks for After Dark (FIRST OFF) why don't they run it at Halloween. (SECOND) No mainstream audience is going to see films they've never heard off. They should be cutting trailers and running ad spots for the individual films. Not cutting ads for the fucking festival. No one goes to a "fest" to see everything that's playing. They go to see the shit that looks cool. How the fuck can After Dark sell you a film based on the 5 seconds of clips in their shitty trailer. They don't even idenitfy the film that area assocated with the clips. As for P2...well what the fuck did you expect!!!

Tex Massacre
12:01pm, November 12, 2007
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Oh yeah...as for those of you who think Mr. D is calling this the death of horror...you totally missed the point. He's not calling it the death of the industry he's prepping for the trade papers to call it the death of the industry. And I promise you that they will. Studios don't like horror films, never have, never will. They're cheap to produce and they've got a long shelf life on rental. The only reason a horror film even gets a theatrical release is so they can use that leverage with the video rental stores to move units. How many copies of P2 do you think Blockbuster would buy if it was DTV. 2 or 3? Even with it's shitty opening they'll get 10 to 12 a store now. Every once in a while a Ring or Blair Witch comes along, shocks the shit outta everyone and then the studios start banking on horror flicks again... Meaning they actually fuck to get some cast in these films. Even hire a writer or director whose make a movie before. But it dosen't last because development at major studios are more focused on tentpole releases for summer and Oscar fair for Autumn. Horror films get relegated to to virtual theatrical wasteland of January - March and August - October. No one goes to the movies in these months...and even with October in there. How come more horror dosen't open closer to Halloween? 58 Million for Zombies verison of Mike Myers. That should have been opening weekend if Weinstein positioned that fucker the week before Halloween. Who wants to see a Halloween film in August????!!!!! Blows my mind....and I'm even used to it!

biledemon3
1:01pm, November 12, 2007
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P2 looked like complete shit. thats why i stayed away. alot of the theatrical horror realesed recently has been shit. thats why horror is in the dumps. P2 sucks. Halloween was okay to say the least about that. Feast was crap. The ring sucked dick and so did the Grudge. Horror will never go anywhere. The major studios just need better writters and they need to quit putting out CRAP. Remakes and movies we have seen the same material over and over do not do well. As we all know.

biledemon3
1:03pm, November 12, 2007
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So who is to blame for these flops? It’s the studios for thinking we’re dumb enough to pay to see a crappy movie… ISN"T THIS THE TRUTH!!!!

Joe CLick
1:54pm, November 12, 2007
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Smart people, the smart horror fans have always pick out the bad and gone to the good, i know i have. I mean i did pay to see silent hill and house of the dead. But i will say house of the dead was to suppot ellie cornell. So to say its now that we are getting smart know is wrong. Its that alot of the profits of mega hits like saw arnt really horror fans (the first had its moments), there teens with girls and dull imaginations. SO if your comapring the 80's as a time when every horror fan would see something then yeah your right but those where most of the saw type fans but just it was friday the 13th instead. And since we got mostly (almost all but rare stuff like nightmare on elm st or hellraiser) Friday rip offs. So in words if there were a bunch of films since 2004 that involed traps like saw then our genre would still be the stongest till like 2009. But the studios thought gore was the attraction not the traps. and though the trap rip off movies would all suck, we would still be a topic instead of a travisty. so not were we were never dumd, not the real fans...not even in the 80's. PEACE OUT!!

tymishu78
6:49pm, November 12, 2007
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I understand where Mr. D is coming from to an extent. I don't think he is crying but merely pointing out that no other genre gets bashed on like the horror genre. Someone said above that when a comedy movie bombs you don't hear that comedy is dying. Well I think that's what Mr. D is pointing out. The one thing I do not agree with is the success of Saw, Halloween, 1408 and The Mist because these movies are either one a franchise or two they have Stephen King's name attached to them. Which means that they are bound to be successful regardless of how good or bad it is because of the fan base attached to these films before they even see a trailer. The only exception would be 30 Days of Night. Which for the most part has been getting mixed reviews. I think that the fans expectations are way too high when it comes to seeing movies. Another problem other then the studio is the fans! Look at the amount of Halloween threads on this site alone. Most of the response are negative but for some miraculous reason the movie owed at the box office. I don't know about everybody else but I pretty much knew everything about that movie before they even shot a frame of film on it. You had the leaked script, cast info, pictures, an early trailer, official trailer and the leaked workprint but for some strange reason most of the bashers/haters still went and seen it??? LOL! It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! I don't know but if I have all the info in front of me and I hate what I am seeing or reading then I am not going to waste my time or money to watch something I knew was going to suck months in advance ahead of time and don't give me that whole "It's because of the casual viewers or people with bad taste" excuse because I know for a fact that those people were not the only ones to fork out the dough to see it. So in the end. If people keep going to a certain type of movie like a Saw, then that's the type of movie you'll see at the theater until they start to bomb and when they do? The studios try to find something else to milk. It's always been this way and it's not going to change.

wizzack
6:55pm, November 12, 2007
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These movies are all renters. Nobody in their right mind would pay $ to see them in a theater where a bunch of kids will ruin the movie or cell phones be blazin. f that. I'll netflix this shiet.

Mr. Willson
8:00pm, November 12, 2007
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Yep, I agree with many of the posts. Until the studios see a decline in revenue (whether it DTV numbers or theater numbers), they are going to do what is natural and make more. When they get their numbers and any profit, they assume that the public enjoys what they are getting. Then again, once you buy the ticket, they could care less what you think about the film. (All of which is why there will be a SAW 25. It should been finished at III.) So basically, you want to send a message, STAY HOME AND DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. Simple as that! As for the ADHF?! Don't even get me started. There are a multitude of things wrong with that whole thing! Take your pick! I went to a theater that wasn't even listed on the site! I only knew this because I went to the theater's homepage!(WTF?!) Why try to put together something of this magnitude if you don't even care? At least, that's what I take from it. As stated before, nobody will pay money to see a slew of films you know nothing about. At most theaters, the price of the ticket is about half the price of the DVD alone! Now explain to me WHY I would shell out EIGHT times that in one weekend for a bunch of movies that are %75 likely to suck?! I only saw Mulburry St. and that told me enough. There is no reason why After D(umb) would be brazen enough to charge you near $10 a movie when they should be shown for one price for ALL films. At this rate I don't see this going for very long...at least I hope so. They're not doing anything for the genre.

mrcairo
10:01pm, November 12, 2007
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Hi guys, Long time lurker, 1st time poster (just registered) My few thoughts are this. I don't believe the genre is dead, a few bad horror movies or even poor ticket sales will never do that. The movie industry, just like the music industry is cyclic...as in things/popular trends/genres all have their season. The truth is some years are better for the horror market than others. It remains to be seen how this year will be considered as a whole for the market. There have been several films that have done quite well I think. I personally have my fingers crossed for AvP:2 and if the online uncut trailer is any indication of the real movie it's going to kick some serious ass :) As far a Horror Fest this year, the semi-local theater that showed it last year didn't and my wife and I were caught off guard and hadn't really planned our time very well ahead of time. Going during the week is out of the question for us because of distance and work schedules sadly. But on Sat. I looked at the choices. Last year we saw 2 films, but it's really hard for my wife to sit that long (back issues) I thought Tooth & Nail look very interesting and we were leaning towards that...but then I saw that Blade Runner: The Final Cut was showing at a theater near there. Knowing that I would be able to see ALL the Horror Fest movies on dvd soon I chose to see what I consider a fantastic film, especially being able to see it on the Big Screen once again. Saw the "original" when I was 14 :) So I have to say that the way the movies are staggered (a few one day, a few different ones the next...) as well as the very short time frame (7 days) just doesn't really work for us. We probably see ALL 8 films IF we had 6-8 weeks to do it. And as far as the P2 discussion is concerned, the fact that the girl is an unknown makes ZERO difference to us! In fact the reason we decided we could wait for dvd is that generally the reviews were horrible (and not in a good way lol) and personally Wes Bently just doesn't excite me in that role. All I see Boon on Lost lol Call me shallow I guess heh Plus imo the whole "captive" spin on horror is old and worn (again imo) Even the shock films in the tradition of SAW is tired to my eyes. I ENJOY be scared and surprised...I'm tired of movies trying to gross me out. Good effects and makeup is all well and good but even a few well done death scenes can't save a crappy, shallow, heartless, simplistic script. Imo a film like Cabin Fever was fantastic, because of the tone and feel of the show, the effects were well done and the movie continued to shock AND surprise me. Hostel was shocking and new (for me at the time) and I felt the story wasn't all that bad. Plus I've liked Jay Hernandez since I saw him in Friday Night Lights...but now torture/captive movies are seemingly everywhere :( Boring! People love certain things, these are constants. We love to be scared (tense, frightened...NOT grossed out)Atmosphere and mood can be more effective and memorable that many first rate death scenes. Remember Alien? You can cut the tension and utter fright with a knife! ;) People Like to be surprised, we like twists that don't throw ALL logic out the window. We like good scripts that don't leave serious plot/story holes the size of Florida sink holes ;) One storyline that seems to be eternally enjoyed is the "10 Little Indians/And then there was One" formula. We like to see different people collected together and then picked off one by one, hopefully never knowing who the killer or the last survivor will be! :) Well at least I do...but even that tried and true formula couldn't save Final Destination 3, hell neither could breasts lol Gore is just ONE facet of the horror genre...there is so much more that can be done. Horror will live on as long as there's theaters, books or storytellers...it plucks at our roots as humans, vulnerable and fragile as we ultimately are. We LOVE to feel frightened and helpless as long as we know that we're safe at the same time heh That's the beauty of well done horror, it makes us feel alive, by bringing us as close as we can get to death...without actually having to take that final breath :) I've said enough, too much probably. We have a few good movies to wide up the year with. AvP2 and I am Legend should do well at the box office (i hope) the wife and I will be seeing both :) And Mr.D I think was just disappointed that the film fest didn't go over better...as I'm sure we all are. We all want the "suits" to be favorable towards the horror industry as a whole. High ticket sales do that job very well. Here's hoping that next year will bring some new and exciting vision (and frights) to us the masses! And not more lackluster remakes of our beloved classics! Best Regards 2 ALL MC

mrcairo
10:05pm, November 12, 2007
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My apologies to ALL! I HAD paragraphs but it seems they were unformatted once I posted :( Sorry for the word wall. MC

rushnmutt
10:45am, November 13, 2007
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P2 WAS PRETTY GOOD!

ScaryJerry
1:25pm, November 13, 2007
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What about FOUR FILMS TO DIE FOR in 2008? Less is more, especially if four better films make it into the festival. Advertising four individual titles would be far easier and people are more likely see four films over ten days. Perhaps, AfterDark could also sneak peek an upcoming, major release along with the festival as a "bonus" - that would get me to buy a pass. Also, there's that whole after Halloween timing that just doesn't work. I'd be more likely to attend Horrorfest Oct 1st than Nov 18th. Horror is all in the marketing, and quality gives it legs.

gutmuncher
1:42pm, November 13, 2007
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I have to agree, I went last year to horriblefest and I thought they were alright. Nothing to go crazy for but alright. After that, I was very leary of going again this year even though I wanted to support the horror genre, I cant help but read the horrible reviews and think as mentioned, I'll wait for the dvd. I dont want to waste my hard earned money on crappy flicks.

Joe CLick
7:20pm, November 13, 2007
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we should all good rent wrong turn 2 and have a great time, horror will never die! plus damn why did you guys give away where the charecters we'er at in the end of Diary. Its only been shown like 4 time so come on guys have a heart its Romero for carpenter's sake

italiandemon_6
1:27am, November 16, 2007
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yay for P2 SUCKS ASS JUST LIKE YOUR MOM


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