The 1970s - best decade for horror?

[Vlad The Impaler]

Originally Posted by Heathen

You oldsters have me rollin' with your fusty notions about classic horror films. Allow me to elduciate the term "classic," as it pertains to the metanarrative that is the horror genre. Most here seem to define the term with heavy reference to its temporal aspect, and a grave mistake that is, for with each passing year, some of the current classics lose some their catchet only to be eventually superseded, leaving only their honor of antiquity.

When used in its most appropriate sense, the term's thrust is that of veneration, thus affording the use the of the extended term "instant classic." Far be it from me to appeal to popularity in most cases, but here, I justifiedly do so to forward that reality that mass appeal is indeed what makes any subject under present appraisal classic or no.

Over the last few years, I've notice the orig TCM's imdb score sink from a 7.+ to a 6.5. It now has 37,601 total votes. On the other hand, the TCM remake has increased, albeit slowly, to a 6.1 with a whopping 62,498 votes. Watch the .4 gap between them close during the next few years.

[Dr. McStuffin]

Originally Posted by Heathen

You oldsters have me rollin' with your fusty notions about classic horror films. Allow me to elduciate the term "classic," as it pertains to the metanarrative that is the horror genre. Most here seem to define the term with heavy reference to its temporal aspect, and a grave mistake that is, for with each passing year, some of the current classics lose some their catchet only to be eventually superseded, leaving only their honor of antiquity.

When used in its most appropriate sense, the term's thrust is that of veneration, thus affording the use the of the extended term "instant classic." Far be it from me to appeal to popularity in most cases, but here, I justifiedly do so to forward that reality that mass appeal is indeed what makes any subject under present appraisal classic or no.

Over the last few years, I've notice the orig TCM's imdb score sink from a 7.+ to a 6.5. It now has 37,601 total votes. On the other hand, the TCM remake has increased, albeit slowly, to a 6.1 with a whopping 62,498 votes. Watch the .4 gap between them close during the next few years.

Sputter your pretentious crap all day, but what you fail to recognize is another huge factor in what makes a film a "classic" is it's ability to have cultural impact. Even if the TCM remake was superior to the original in all ways technical, it still didn't even cause a ripple in the big scheme of things. Psycho, Jaws, The Exorcist - all classics because of the effect they caused on society, not just because they are technically good films - people terrified to go to the beach, terrified to take a shower, death threats to the creators, etc. The fact that the TCM remake exists, as well as the continuing franchise, is just testament to the original's power. If TCM never existed, and the TCM remake was the original film, it would still just be an ok movie with no more significance than The Ruins or something like that. Anything Marcus Nispel has made or ever will make, won't amount to shit. His movies are actually getting worse, proof of how much he sucks. Keep trying kiddo.

[Klown]

Originally Posted by Heathen

You oldsters have me rollin' with your fusty notions about classic horror films. Allow me to elduciate the term "classic," as it pertains to the metanarrative that is the horror genre. Most here seem to define the term with heavy reference to its temporal aspect, and a grave mistake that is, for with each passing year, some of the current classics lose some their catchet only to be eventually superseded, leaving only their honor of antiquity.

When used in its most appropriate sense, the term's thrust is that of veneration, thus affording the use the of the extended term "instant classic." Far be it from me to appeal to popularity in most cases, but here, I justifiedly do so to forward that reality that mass appeal is indeed what makes any subject under present appraisal classic or no.

Over the last few years, I've notice the orig TCM's imdb score sink from a 7.+ to a 6.5. It now has 37,601 total votes. On the other hand, the TCM remake has increased, albeit slowly, to a 6.1 with a whopping 62,498 votes. Watch the .4 gap between them close during the next few years.

So basically, a "classic" horror film is still only regarded as such because it is old? And more modern films aren't considered "classics" because they aren't old?

Bottom line. I like good movies. There are several classics that I am not that fond of, but I can understand their importance to film and the horror genre.

It also appears that your TCM data from IMDb is out of date. The original sits at 7.5, as the remake is at 6.1 with the remake having about 5,000 more votes.

Original

Remake

[ReptilianPig]

Originally Posted by Heathen

Over the last few years, I've notice the orig TCM's imdb score sink from a 7.+ to a 6.5. It now has 37,601 total votes. On the other hand, the TCM remake has increased, albeit slowly, to a 6.1 with a whopping 62,498 votes. Watch the .4 gap between them close during the next few years.

Fucking christ. Do you truly exist, Heathen? Now that others are quoting n responding to your silly rationalizations, You just gotta be.
I'm reminded of this other board member who favoured his movies from greatest to least by which place the most recent films were listed as they came and went through the box office and on how much their budgets were.

I'm 29, BTW - born 7 years away from the golden era [notice "gold" as the root word].
What is your age?

[WayOfTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Wonderlust

I'm in a horror draft on another forum..here's my films. I went all 1970's!


8.)Woodenheart
- Who Can Kill A Child? (Narciso Ibáñez Serrador) 1976
- Frightmare (Pete Walker) 1974
- Martin (George A. Romero) 1976
- Bad Ronald (Buzz Kulik) 1974
- The Sentinel (Michael Winner) 1977




Fuck yeah!

All awesome movies so a winner for me mate

I do need to re-watch The Sentinal again though as it pretty much been like 20 years since I saw it last.

Well I love the 70s just a bit more then the 80s. For me the whole feel of the movies back then are brilliant.

Just watched Last House On Dead End Street for the first time a few days ago, fucking brilliant

[WayOfTheHammer]

Originally Posted by Heathen

You oldsters have me rollin' with your fusty notions about classic horror films. Allow me to elduciate the term "classic," as it pertains to the metanarrative that is the horror genre. Most here seem to define the term with heavy reference to its temporal aspect, and a grave mistake that is, for with each passing year, some of the current classics lose some their catchet only to be eventually superseded, leaving only their honor of antiquity.

When used in its most appropriate sense, the term's thrust is that of veneration, thus affording the use the of the extended term "instant classic." Far be it from me to appeal to popularity in most cases, but here, I justifiedly do so to forward that reality that mass appeal is indeed what makes any subject under present appraisal classic or no.

Over the last few years, I've notice the orig TCM's imdb score sink from a 7.+ to a 6.5. It now has 37,601 total votes. On the other hand, the TCM remake has increased, albeit slowly, to a 6.1 with a whopping 62,498 votes. Watch the .4 gap between them close during the next few years.

I feel I could have fun with your meds, what are they please

I'm ancient...I am 39...fucking old 39 and ready for the knackery

But I digress...just because a film has a low number at the Marble Arches that is IMDb doesn't mean it is shit or lesser than a newer movie or remake.

Well anyway the 70s ruled and if you don't think so you are wrong and go and suck my fat juicy cock

[Heathen]

Originally Posted by Klown

Bottom line. I like good movies. There are several classics that I am not that fond of, but I can understand their importance to film and the horror genre.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The cultural impact of something reviled can be as great or greater than that of something revered, so the whole cultural argument is refuted. And culture can change at the drop of a hat. What was scoffed at in its time can later gain cult status through its kitsch value or a reference to it by the latest, greatest personage.

[ReptilianPig]

Hmm We need to find you two synonyms for "cultural" and derivatives. Dude, no need to smack your forehead over it. Next post will save you all integrity, I am keen sure of it.

[Dr. McStuffin]

Originally Posted by Heathen

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The cultural impact of something reviled can be as great or greater than that of something revered, so the whole cultural argument is refuted. And culture can change at the drop of a hat. What was scoffed at in its time can later gain cult status through its kitsch value or a reference to it by the latest, greatest personage.

Your'e saying that all the impact TCM caused (or any so-called classic) can be dismissed because someday, maybe, the remake may become more revered? Well what is, and what might be are two different things. A film can certainly be raised up in the future, but there is no dismissing a film that made waves in it's time. Even if TCM's IMDB score was voted to be 0 by the mongs of the future, should you have children, it doesn't make it any less of a film. Same with all the other great films you dismiss in place of mediocre ones.

By the way, if you're gonna try to make yourself sound smart by using words like elucidate and cachet, spell them correctly sweetheart.

[Heathen]

No, no. You crotchety codgers can't see the forest through the clutter of your hickory walking sticks.

TCM, although still revered, does not pack the same punch as it once did as result of (1) the numerous, subsequent films that are far more violent and realistic and (2) the general growth of the backwoods/survival horror subgenre. To the average member of the majority, it HAS lost some of its luster. That doesn't mean it ceases to be a great film.

The measure of a classic is fluid. The standard in 1974 is not the standard of today, regardless of whether you prefer the prior.