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Old 08-14-2012, 10:02 AM   #4341
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That is why I don't consider Halloween a slasher movie, just like I don't consider Black Christmas, Psycho or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre slashers.
What are they then? Don't give me some mealy-mouthed "general horror" tag.
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What are they then? Don't give me some mealy-mouthed "general horror" tag.
Psycho - mystery thriller
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - exploitation
Halloween - mystery thriller
Black Christmas - mystery thriller
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Psycho - mystery thriller
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Halloween - mystery thriller
Black Christmas - mystery thriller
I understand your logic but am inclined to believe you're not taking into account the decidely horrorific tone of those films. It is the tone that separates them from the average thriller, mystery, or bank-robber-in-a-mask-type movie. I wouldn't group Psycho with a film like Along Came a Spider.
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I understand your logic but am inclined to believe you're not taking into account the decidely horrorific tone of those films. It is the tone that separates them from the average thriller, mystery, or bank-robber-in-a-mask-type movie. I wouldn't group Psycho with a film like Along Came a Spider.
Horror frequently overlaps with the thriller genre. Along Came A Spider is more of a detective story, like Seven, is it? Psycho has some of those elements, of the whodunit? murder/mystery. But it's more in the tone, like you said. First and foremost, I would class them as horror, but as a significant subset of that, a mystery thriller.
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Horror frequently overlaps with the thriller genre. Along Came A Spider is more of a detective story, like Seven, is it? Psycho has some of those elements, of the whodunit? murder/mystery. But it's more in the tone, like you said. First and foremost, I would class them as horror, but as a significant subset of that, a mystery thriller.
Hmmm... I've heard of mysteries with horror elements, like giallos, but never vice versa. There are too many horror films that incorporate the the element of mystery to maintain suspense (instead of going full-on hack/slash), so the subgenre label generally regards the tone (e.g. horror comedy), setting (e.g. backwoods), and violence (torture porn). Your personal horror-mystery subgenre must have a gazillion titles, no?
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Hmmm... I've heard of mysteries with horror elements, like giallos, but never vice versa. There are too many horror films that incorporate the the element of mystery to maintain suspense (instead of going full-on hack/slash), so the subgenre label generally regards the tone (e.g. horror comedy), setting (e.g. backwoods), and violence (torture porn). Your personal horror-mystery subgenre must have a gazillion titles, no?
But sometimes suspense is based on knowing what is going to happen or what could happen. So you don't need mystery to create suspense.
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But sometimes suspense is based on knowing what is going to happen or what could happen. So you don't need mystery to create suspense.
I'm glad you brought that up, because the tone of the film determines the type of suspense, i.e. is the suspense creating general interest in advancement of the plot, whether the subsequent plot points be known or not, or is it creating that AND a heightened degree of fear (the latter assumes even the most jaded horror fan can find it in themselves to empathize with any given character; anyone with a normal psyche can do it). If the latter is combined with other horror elements, the object is a true horror film.
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I'm glad you brought that up, because the tone of the film determines the type of suspense, i.e. is the suspense creating general interest in advancement of the plot, whether the subsequent plot points be known or not, or is it creating that AND a heightened degree of fear (the latter assumes even the most jaded horror fan can find it in themselves to empathize with any given character; anyone with a normal psyche can do it). If the latter is combined with other horror elements, the object is a true horror film.
Mystery keeps you interested in the plot (IE: who was that shadow figure that killed Marion Crane in the shower?). Suspense is part of the 'thriller' aspect, and has you focused on the moment (IE: the shadow creeping up to the shower curtain). Horror is based on the fear generated (IE: oh shit, getting stabbed in the shower while I'm naked and vulnerable by some psycho).
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Psycho - mystery thriller
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - exploitation
Halloween - mystery thriller
Black Christmas - mystery thriller
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Maybe Psycho. MAYBE. While Halloween might not fit perfectly into the slasher mold, it is most definitely a slasher. Same for TCM and Black Christmas. They both fit the formula of a slasher (group of people getting dispatched one by one in various ways).

Mysteries or thrillers make me think of things like Copycat or Kiss the Girls. Is Friday the 13th a mystery/thriller? I'll agree that mystery/thriller and horror can have some overlap, but those listed are most certainly slashers.
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